As it turns out I was cheating for quite a few months in 2015. When I came back in February I switched from the retail version to the Steam version. I was immediately getting Roman's Sorrow Classic% PB's. In 4 attempts I was able to get a 1:15:29. My comments on that alone are interesting: "Considering I was doing this in a race and OBS crashed, what the fuck is going on, how come I improve so much and i get 2 new PBs at the same day. This was my fourth attempt overall after coming back. WTF."

I didnt understand how I Pb'd back then and rightfully so. If you do take a two month break, you will have to derust severly. This run shows a lot of magicial handling and allows for mistakes to not matter that normally would cost serious time.

Nowadays with updated strats and better game play I could beat that time, but that just comes down to being more experienced and not because my handling is severly off. I doubt with that version I could have gotten a sub 1:10 Roman's Sorrow because for that the advantage is not big enough, it is def and does allow for some time saving there that shouldn't be (skill wise). Realisticially I see that run should be sub 1:19 error wise.

I continued to cheat because I didnt have a direct comparison and so cheated even in the 5:16:20 any% speedrun, that I wasn't able to beat for 5 months. Why? Because the advantage from the botch was just so big that I had to seriously become better at the game and do proper routing.

I also got a new PC and with that came a new Windows installation (getting rid of botched handling).

When Kyle started downgrading, I also tried it out and I found it super weird. Because I couldnt get rid of the weirdness, I reinstalled windows and made a 1.0 retail install, that I cracked and upgraded to 1.04. With this version I did my 4:58:15. The only reason I was finally able to beat my 5:16 is not because of "skill", but because I updated the route and finally got the perfect phone calls, thus saving me a lot of time late game that I did lose in my 5:16 (just because this stuff wasn't figured out at all, which makes it even weirder that I was able to get such a time in the beginning of July). In fact at Undertaker I was 10 minutes behind the 5:16. That comes down to it being a race but even then with all updated strats and a really good run, which avoids many mistakes and issues the 5:16:20 has, I can only get a 5 minute better Undertaker. In theory more. But again it demands great RNG.

So I did cheat. I don't feel bad for admitting it. The reasons are obvious. I was a noob, came in between retirement and didnt notice anything off with my game.

As soon as I switched to a newer PC with a correct Steam installation, I had the comparison between weird driving and correct one, which is why I didnt do the downgrade because even in August I found it to be incorrect. I didnt realize not only was it incorrect, but it gave you a time advantage.

The botch can be combined in various forms. Getting rid of it is hard, so it is a beginners trap if you don't know the game well enough.

The first version you will install on your pc will be the one you will have to use. No downgrading, no installations of steam, when a retail version was present and so on.

So installing a retail version 1.04, then "uninstalling" it and installing a 1.07 steam and then downgrading doesnt give you weird handling. It will still give you advantages that actual 1.04 doesnt have and most likely does come from files not properly downgraded.

Actual 1.04 does have AI not pathing correctly. It can be a pain to get Little Jacob through Russian Revolution for example. With the downgrade it won't be broken.

We need an open discussion about the version botching and not allow someone to just deny its exististence. Kyle has been showing magic even in classic%. Sub 1:10 Roman's Sorrow is not possible. So how can he have magic handling, when he has been using Steam 1.07 back then?

What was his first version ever installed? These are questions, that are allowed to be asked and should be answered.

In the end this holds true and you can test it yourself.

1. Play GTA IV/SA
2. Switch settings to very low
3. Quit game
4. Copy the setting file (C:\Users[username]\AppData\Local\Rockstar Games\GTA IV\Settings)
5. Switch settings to very high
6. Quit game
7. Copy over the setting file with the ones from the very low settings

Somehow the driving and some of the animations break. I don't know why. So this would be interesting to find out what went wrong in the code. The settings files are encrypted, so finding out how the game interprets them and what they contain is not easy.

This won't be about why WR is a cheat. It's about the fact that so far Kyledoesit hasn't tried to explain anything.

He has been given plenty chances to give an explanation. He completely ignores me, but yet again manages to constantly personally attack and belittle me and the allegiations. Just by saying he is better and he has the skill and apparentely microoptimizes so well that his Roman's Sorrow on average is two minutes faster than mine even though in the last months I put in an insane amount of time into that grind and also optimized the route to be faster.

Unfortunately the mods for GTA IV are only Jolzi, who hasn't done a run in over a year and so far hasn't done an any% time and Kyledoesit, who is the accused. He also verified his own run which is no proof but yet again is not helping in this matter.

So in the name of the community I ask that his runs will be removed until he can give an explanation and proves in innocence which he can do easily by streaming with a keyboard cam and a microphone.

I have asked him multiple times to do so, but again I am ignored.

If nothing will happen, I will forced to go through the site admins.

If this gets deleted by Kyledoesit because he still has mod for this game, I also will go through the site admins.

You can spawn a cab when you get outside the save house no matter the vehicle density.

In some of the mission (mostly concrete jungle) i realized, i had huge problems spawning a cab (which also can happen on 100 vehicle density). What is the connection?

As it turns out the game spawns very little cabs, if you have stolen cab before. You can get rid of this by video editor warping after you have stolen the cab. The effect of stealing a cab seem to last very long.

If I don't steal the cab in Concrete Jungle, the cab will always spawn on one vehicle density.

This is still in the works, but for now don't steal any cabs anymore in the run and if you do make sure you video editor warp afterwards.

Nothing has happened since the last discussion about it. People that where against removing this rule haven't come back to running the game. So at this point this rule should be just removed.

My experience in any% has shown me, that one vehicle density doesn't mean you have no car rng. It also doesn't mean, that the game is easier. It is also not difficult to change the vehicle density. If menuing skills are important in a speedrun game, you have to go for them. If you believe menuing skills do not belong to gta then you should find a different gta to run, because in some gta games menuing is part of the run.

I just cannot imagine that I would ever ever do Escuela of the Streets with 33 vehicle density. This mission is already hell in any% to get optimized. In classic it is just near impossible to get this mission off clean.

Why in hell would you want more RNG in a game that is already overloaded with RNG?

There is a reason why classic% is dead. I would like to see it revived, but without a rule change nothing will happen.