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benang: Dark Cloud
GermanyAlexGoesFast7 years ago

This one is a little tricky to answer. I'm going to try my best to make my opinion on this clear. If anything I'd go with "All Dungeons" rather than something that suggest you're not allowed to warp or unlock floors and that has a reason. Why would I want to forbid something as neat as being able to re-route the entire run by warping to a different place / unlocking the world map and therefore do things in a different order? The only thing we have in the current Town% that is different from glitchless is that glitched menu is allowed and we only use it to get glitched accessoires. So right now it's just the same category but in this one you hit harder. Might as well just call it NG+. So allowing warping would actually be very nice to maybe get certain characters first to improve dungeon clearing speed and getting further away from the glitchless category. Also you shouldn't forget that other than in the last dungeon, warping to the boss floor doesn't unlock the boss fight itself. You still need the key items for every boss or you're just visiting, so it's still necessary to collect town pieces in order to fight the bosses, especially if we make a rule that prevents skipping said key items. I can't see the full extend of what we can do with the glitched menu yet so my opinion might change in the future. For now though, this is it: "All Dungeons" in which you have to beat all the dungeon bosses in an order of your choice and complete the game by defeating the last boss afterwards. Demon Shaft should be excluded from the term "All Dungeons" since it does not even exist in the japanese version of the game. Credits warp is not allowed.

benang: The Site
GermanyAlexGoesFast7 years ago

Would you please change my name to AlexGoesFast? Thank you!

benang: Dark Cloud
GermanyAlexGoesFast8 years ago

Yeah, I know how long it is. I finished my first run two days ago in 7:49:35 and I'm about to upload it. The only thing left is to cut around 30 minutes and WR here I come! You hear that iMoto!? :P

I will try to get the glitch menu working according to your description and have a go at the dungeons thingy. Can you make a video of accessing glitch menu?

By the way, I figured out how exactly the item vendor glitch works and this "11th row" is simplified crap. It has NOTHING to do with the cursor position at all. It's all about the position of your inventory's scrolling bar.

For example with Gaffer: Let's call the upmost position of your inventory ±0. If you now grab an item from Gaffer with Right+X you will notice that you grab the item opposite to it. So selecting escape powder will result in bread, bomb will result in stand-in-powder, ice crystal is dran's feather and gold is thunder crystal. This is the standard phenomenom and also works if you did not trigger the vendor glitch by accessing any menu BUT you will not get glitched items.

If you SCROLL down by one (not just one row but actually moving your inventory scrolling bar), you will notice a difference in what happens: Selecting stand-in-powder will now result in Escape powder, bomb will be dran's feather etc.. So scrolling down in your inventory "shifts" the Right+X behaviour by one down in Gaffer's inventory. Gaffer's inventory has six rows and glitch item's start to appear once you try to grab items "out of bounds". So scrolling down by six (which is the maximum of starting inventory) and grabbing the first item "escape powder" will be Gaffer's 7th inventory row. If you move your cursor down in Gaffer's inventory, you will also increase the "shift-value" by one.

The "perfect" broken dagger is located in Gaffer's +8 inventory position. So you can aquire it by scrolling down by six and grabbing the +2 item from Gaffer which is the ice crystal OR you can scroll down by five and grab the gold bar which would be +3 OR you can go to your weapon inventory and scroll down to the bottom which is +8 and then grab escape powder. BOOM perfect glitched dagger. It doesn't even matter in which of your inventories you are, it's all about how far you can scroll down.

Long story short, I'll not continue this in text form right now but if you're willing to take my english I can do a video of this for better understanding.

benang: Dark Cloud
GermanyAlexGoesFast8 years ago

It seems like I accidently duped an item just now... I will look into this right away!

Edit 1: I'm beginning to understand how the vendor glitch works. Edit 2: Has anyone made a detailed explanation how the vendor glitch works? Edit 3: I actually figured out how to temporarily convert glitched items into other equipable non-automaticly used items.

benang: Dark Cloud
GermanyAlexGoesFast8 years ago

Thanks for answering! So only 100% and any% effectively benefit from glitched menu? I'm curious since the rules for town% says glitched menu is allowed except for warping. So what use is there in town%? I'm not trying to be a smartass, I honestly just don't know :) And you mentioned your game crashes when trying to enter a dungeon, does that mean you got glitched menu to work?

benang: Dark Cloud
GermanyAlexGoesFast8 years ago

I don't know about the PS4 versions framerate but I can provide a 60fps video. It should be pretty easy to spot if it runs at 50fps or 60fps. It definetly feels like 60 though. Somebody could compare certain animations like opening chests and such. I could also do a video with some loading zones if anyone is willing to compare that, too.

As far as glitches go: I couldn't get glitched menu to work but I didn't try for long. I will look into that again if I have the time. I couldn't get "good" broken daggers after increasing inventory space, only ones with partial negative attributes. I tried pretty much every possible cursor position. Is that a thing on PS2, too? I'm curious if glitched daggers keep their stats without beeing influenced by stuff like loading, moving, rebooting etc.. I was pretty sure I checked that all daggers I fetched were optimal but from time to time I found one with negative attributes among them. Sneaky.

By the way... how heavily influenced are the categories except Any% by glitched menu?

I forgot something, I'm sure of it.

benang: Dark Cloud
GermanyAlexGoesFast8 years ago

Hey there, Rage here! I got into speedrunning recently and a few days ago a friend of mine told me Dark Cloud was in the PS store. Since I love that game I grabbed it in an instant, keeping a possible speedrun in mind. While casually playing through I'm taking notes and testing stuff.

So far: The broken dagger glitch works. (EU version, PS firmware up to date) I have not tested glitched menu yet. Possible shortened loading times because of PS4 hardware? Stuff.

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