After messing with this a bit .. I think its improved slightly by using standing LK instead of crouching for some unknown reason. I was able to go st LK into cr HP and loop Pyron fairly consistently on T3. Using cr LK or cr LP on T3 seemed to make it a lot harder to chain ... no idea why.

Wow dude!! This looks strong! Nice find!

Im assuming you mean to play the game on your Cell Phone?

Sorry :( .. We do not accept phone emulators.

Phone emulators are very innacurate, even though it might look like it runs fine they are almost always having a slight advantage due to how innacurate they are.

Also there are many many different ones with varying degrees of accuracy which is impossible for us to verify.

If you mean to use a cell phone to "record your run video" but you are playing on a properly supported platform, then that is okay but you must make sure to capture all of the game footage including all of the rules (show difficulty etc).

Thank you so much Pac! You started something amazing .. good luck on your endeavours!

I was using 0.149 for a good while, but I switched to 0.220 sometime earlier this year and I havent regretted it. Works beautifully on everything I've ran since.

Just posting this here for anyone else to look at. I havent dived into it myself yet, but this happened on Kombat King's stream a few weeks back.

Spawning OOB: https://www.twitch.tv/the_kombat_king/clip/CrowdedPunchyWalrusBabyRage?filter=clips&range=30d&sort=time

Talking to Sindel before the fight: https://www.twitch.tv/the_kombat_king/clip/JazzyAntsySalmonPeteZaroll?filter=clips&range=30d&sort=time

If you notice how he talked to sindel it repositioned his character. I believe this caused him to be placed OOB, so that when the fight ended it would spawn him there. He couldnt find any way to get back in bounds though but he was only streaming casually at the time and couldnt put much time into it.

Theoretically if you can reproduce this, then somehow get back in bounds at will you could place yourself at the trigger point to exit the area and load the next one. I plan to investigate this myself at some point, until then .. anyone is welcome to try and make something of it.

GL!

yes, There is a safe strat.

Begin the round walking back .. most of the time he will charge. If he charges across or charges into the air you will be out of range and you can uppercut him. If he fireballs and you are quick enough, you can teleport punch on him and then Spear. It's a little rarer to happen though, in general its better to play around the charge happening. You are just looking for 1 spear or uppercut to get the strat started.

Then: Run in close before he gets up and LP, LP, LP, Spear at point blank range > Uppercut > repeat.

The first 2-3 punches may or may not get blocked but either way when you go for the spear he will have been pushed to a distance in which he will 100% try to do a counter move but your spear will be faster than anything he can do and you will always hit. If he blocks the spear its because you didnt do enough punches to "push him back".

You should be able to use this to beat him pretty easily, and the strat is useable all the way down to around the 4:50 ish mark, so it will be a while until you need to resort to the harder strat in order to get a good PB.

If you are doing a "combo high punch" such as an elbow or whatever, start with a single low punch first before going into high punches. This forces it out of "combo mode" essentially and allows you to string together normal high punches. Other than that you just need to time it so that every punch is delayed "just enough" so that the opponent gets in a single frame of attack before the next punch hits.

I find the best way to learn this timing is to time each punch with the "ow" sound that the enemy makes from the last punch. If you get it right, you will get into a perfect rythm where your input presses synchronize with the enemies pain sounds.

Its definitely not as easy as it looks, and its very challenging to keep it up for the entire run without making any mistakes. Just remember, if your opponent stumbled back .. you were punching too fast. If he broke out of it and attacked you, you were punching too slow.

There is a very small chance for your opponent to break out of it with a throw regardless however, this is RNG. It actually happens more commonly on fight 1 and 2, seeing it in any fights beyond that is extremely rare but it does happen. Due to that though I recommend pushing to fight 3 and making a save state there to properly practice the technique.

Hope this helps! Good luck!

Thanks for pointing this out.

No idea why GB wasn't listed .. that was dumb lol.. Sorry about that. Fixed that and added SGB2/GBP as well. Thanks!

Well then .. that should be interesting to see lol.

I'm fine with separating platforms if you believe its necessary.

It makes sense to me, with Amiga vs DOS its usually going to have some kind of difference that necessitates it. I ran into this on Moonstone, not only does it have very different play speeds but also there are official versions on the Amiga that have fixed RNG. Its not the sort of thing you would expect but when you try to speedrun it, it becomes glaringly obvious.

Hey @RaGeNyC ! Great to hear from you!

I strongly suggest joining the discord if you havent already! .. Welcome to the Speedrun.com leaderboards!

Hey man, sorry for the late reply. Been a little swamped lately.

We're entirely open to having 100%/Any% categories if you're interested. What would the 100% category consist of? Just getting all 60 treasures?

For the main categories, Only RED is allowed (to enable Boxer/Juni/Juli as playable).

If you wish to perform runs using the game modes provided by the other time codes, let us know first and it will be put into a separate category, assuming you complete the run.

I agree. I would maybe say I would be ok with a "Cheat/Warp" category, but marked as misc .. and only if people are REALLY keen on it. But by default I feel it shouldn't be allowed .. especially in a main category.

I consider myself low authority on this board though, since I have yet to run the game .. so I defer to @NerdyNester 's judgement.

Ok. If you were legitimately here with the intention of speedrunning this game and were requesting a category that you wished to speedrun then I formally apologize.

And let me make some constructive suggestions for you. If you wish to be seen as sincere in your efforts to become a part of a speedrun community, don't post from an account which has a years worth of history of you requesting leaderboard changes but having 0 speedruns on your account. This does not look good, not in the slightest. Maybe you are indeed not a troll, but there are in fact plenty of them out there doing exactly what it looks like you are doing, so in my defense that's how I came to that conclusion.

Furthermore, you began this thread not just by "asking for support of lesser difficulties" but by stating "can anyone actually beat Mortal Kombat I without spamming?". This statement implies some kind of lack of skill on behalf of the runners. I'm not sure how else to percieve this statement, it is insulting .. so I would suggest in future being more mindful of your approach.

But just so you know, yes we can .. all of us can .. it just so happens that the fastest strategy involves spamming. This is speedrunning, the fastest strategy wins out, as it should.

We COULD create a more interesting category which banned the use of said optimal "spam strategy", which is what I initially offered and you dismissed. So if your concern was to have a more interesting run which did not require spamming, you could have had it, but you refused it.

And finally, you requested that an easier difficulty be added which would somehow allow you to not spam as much? This I am still baffled by and you still have not elaborated on. As I said before, if you make the game easier then even simpler and more spammy strategies just become optimal. What you were stating and what you were asking doesn't make any sense. Maybe if you could be more clearer in explaining your reasoning in the future, it would be much more helpful.

Basically, the fact that your suggestion did not appear to have any cohesive logic behind it, coupled with the fact that your account appeared to be approaching leaderboards at random and telling them to add categories without actually providing any speedruns to follow them up. This is what lead me to believe that you were trolling us.

If I'm wrong on that assessment then I apologize, but could you also tell me where I went wrong in my assessment? Because thats what all of the information I have points to in this case, and you haven't given me any kind of evidence to make me believe otherwise.

We discussed it and agreed.

Categories Split. Thanks for the research @sp0ck1

No. Either you're here to run and your opinion means something.. or you're here to jerk us around and your opinion means nothing.

If you want your opinion to be heard... post from the account you are running from. Creating an alt to troll a board is even worse than someone doing it unknowingly lol.

Did you seriously think that would help your case? What you are admitting to could even be considered a bannable offense depending on the circumstances.

Sorry, but keeping things as a single difficulty keeps everyone competing on the same level without fragmenting the leaderboard. "Hardest-only" works perfectly for the classic MK's and like I said, adding "weaker" difficulties isnt going to "reduce" spam, it's going to increase it lol.

I don't know how your logic is supposed to work here .. if the game is on an easier difficulty then easier strategies are going to viable. If the hardest strategy is already very easy then there is no point in adding easier difficulties.

I just checked your forum post history. You've been harassing leaderboards to add Extra Difficulties for years and you have not submitted a single speedrun to this website. So I highly doubt you would submit anything regardless.

Please stop bothering leaderboards with your nonsense unless you are actually going to commit to being a part of their community and/or speedrun their games.

I encountered this recently on some of the boards I and a couple friends moderate. We found that randomly for some reason the search stop recognizing the "title" of the games we were moderating, however it still recognized the URL of the games we were moderating as a search result.

e.g. "Street Fighter Alpha" had the URL: speedrun.com/sfa, searching "Street Fighter Alpha" showed nothing but searching "sfa" revealed it.

We were able to come up with a workaround by copy/pasting the title of the game into the URL and making it match 1:1. Doing so fixed up the games so they were always fully searchable like normal, albeit by making their URL's a little more convoluted.

For those just looking for a game that is not appearing, try searching for whatever you think the moderators might have made its URL (often an abbreviation or just a single word of the game name).

Hope this helps others in some way.

I don't see how adding any other difficulties is going to help towards "reducing" spam.

I am willing to create a category within "Category Extensions" which will ban the use of excessive "Turtle Kicks" though, if that will interest you. It's something we've already talked about to an extent internally already.