I think the "Interacting with objects by wall-hugging" should be banned and I would personally do the jumps off to the side the same as the normal route however it kind of reminds me of the Parisian Backstreets trigger in the sense of that trigger being allowed, then this should also be allowed since it's similar principles except we're wall-hugging instead of crouching for the outcome. But I still stick by "Interacting with objects by wall-hugging" should be banned.

Even I still do not know why the line skip works but I will share the information I have from testing this. I have only ever gotten the line skip to work when I activated the conversation when clicking my left mouse button (mouse action key by default) multiple times as I approach Muller. I have never had it happen where I press my action key on keyboard multiple times. Also even if you activate the conversation with the mouse, it is not always certain that any line will skip. The most lines I have had skipped in one take was two as seen in the video linked, one line skip every so often but more often than not it is still normal and all dialog is spoken normally.

Loading a previous save made during the run does seem sensible however due to the fact we know little about this, if it does happen, since we have no control over this (as we know so far) a time penalty could also seem reasonable so I'm undecided on the ruling of this.

Saving mid-jump to keep the momentum of running forward instead of loading while stationary I would also agree that it could be fine. One thing I'm unsure about with this is whether the saving mid-jump is the problem or is it loading that save in the jump because the advantage of gaining distance in the jump only happens when you load that save. However if you haven't saved in a while and you just happen to save mid-jump, providing it doesn't clear a gap / obstacle and it just maintains Lara's current momentum then there's no major advantage gained from it so I think it could be fine.

With the Parisian Backstreets trigger, we don't really do anything game-breaking to activate the trigger, all we do is swan dive into the correct place and crouch which will activate the trigger. Since that the trigger has an unintended large radius, should we consider this being a trigger bug. My reason for saying "trigger bug" is because the large range is unintended so that would be the bug and it involves the end of the level trigger and of course, the trigger bug is banned. I don't really know what to make of this one. It's one of those things that I can see both either being allowed or banned. I'm not leaning towards one side over the other as of right now.

I do think it is fair to keep Alt + F4 banned since we just skip the cutscenes regardless so I suppose it is less trouble for the runners. The cutscenes being our chance of a break is a good point since for out of game reasons for example the Muller conversation is a good point in the run to have a bathroom break or to stand up and walk around a little bit etc. I don't think there is another cutscene long enough for a bathroom break besides the Luddick one which could always softlock the game so if Alt + F4 remained banned it is also beneficial for our well being too.

With the glitchless rules as of right now, I wouldn't say I disagree with them but I wouldn't entirely agree with two of them. These two are:

• Pressing alt and F4 to cancel trigger
• Moon jump

Alt + F4: Alt + F4 on the black fade outs of cutscenes for example;

• Carvier's Apartment (getting the notebook / lara jumping out of the window)
• Von Croy's Apartment (Skipping the intro cutscene for monstrum crimescene)
• Strahov (Just like the Any% route) Things like that and there are probably more that I haven't mentioned I wouldn't mind if it was allowed to be skipped with the alt + F4 because we will just skip them anyway so why not skip them a little bit faster as they are only cutscenes and we don't really need to do anything besides waiting for the level to load.

However I am unsure if it should be allowed completely because if alt + F4 was allowed, this would allow us to skip long coversations with Bouchard and Muller. With Bouchard we have to select the correct dialogue options (otherwise Lara will be killed) so there is some user interaction however with Muller, we do not have to select dialogue options so it is just a long cutscene basically. Also about the Bouchard conversation you have to select dialogue options, if you select the wrong option (that would usually kill Lara) you can alt + F4 and select 'No' option to return to game and Lara will still be alive as if nothing happened and you can still advance which would be quicker. My current standing on this is that I think we should be allowed to alt + F4 the cutscenes that have no user interaction and conversations like Bouchard should not be allowed to alt + F4.

Moon jump: For me it's more about how the moon jump is used. If the moon jump is used for triggers for example:

• The monstrum crimescene (Same as Any% route)
• Eckhardt's lab (Same as Any% route) I don't agree that it should be used for the triggers in glitchless as it does skip parts of the game.

However there are moon jumps that I think can be acceptable for example:

• Strahov (As seen in Cadarev's WR run after Lara has shut the power off jumping over the lasers)
• The Lost Domain (Same as Any% route) Moon jumps that allow you to go a little bit more further forward like in the examples listed above I don't see a problem with but that is just my opinion.

Other: I will admit I do the cliiping through collisions on the strahov level and I understand if this was to be banned. I would agree that this wasn't communicated well and personally do not have a problem if this trick is banned. I think a minor penalty time would be the best action to the runners who used this before this discussion.

Other than that I do not have a problem nor disagree with the other rules put in place.