I have added you as a mod in that romhack/mod, dafatman922. Now you can manage it as you deem fit.

    If you're using a IGT timing tool (livesplit in in-game time mode or MinecraftTimer) and it's never paused (MCT can't even be paused afaik) then your IGT will be exactly what that timer says. Otherwise, we'd have to see the video first to see what you mean. If you could submit it or even better, link ithere with a timestamp, it would be very helpful.

Actually, Bamz0rs, the top runners consistently get times that are under 1 and a half hour (not counting resets for the starting biome). So I'd say 2 hours or even 2 and a half would be about generous enough, assuming the runner is going to reset live.

    Where did I threaten to delete the thread? Where did I not respond to the argument?

    It could be, but no one runs it. Really, I may just go ahead and delete all the (empty) categories because of that reason.

    Also, your ad hominems are great to remove validity of your argument.

   Because hyperdash is not an option in the options menu that you choose and set before starting a run. That's why.

    cirno doesn't even run x6 anymore, so that leaves 8bit as the only one doing it, and you and 8bit were the only "relevant" people to not want the split and voice your opinions in time, more people wanted the split, so it happened. Story end. And easy and normal, as slight the difference may be, are not the same thing.

    In regards to cyberdemon's post above. Please read the X6 topic before proceeding with giving him or not moderator status. He and another user was basically the only person against the changes, and he is just mad it did not turn out like he wanted. Thanks.

    Cyber, what users have "left the game and deleted their accounts" because of this change? Runs in different difficulty are not the "same speedrun". In-game time and forcing single segment is also not an option. I pushed for timing without loads once, but when I did not get the support I dropped it completely, so that chance was lost. Also running in an emulator faster than all the official versions is simply something that cannot be allowed.

    Now whatever is done here is simply waiting for the merge with mmrta, after which we'll just carry on. There is nothing left to say about this topic. The leaderboard changes are here to stay.

    PS2 emu is banned until we have solid proof that a) its loads are consistent across PCs and b)XC GCN loads are also consistent. That way we could add the necessary time to the PS2 emu, but until then, PS2 emu is banned.

   It is a place holder. The leaderboards will have their final look hopefully after this weekend, most likely tomorrow. Emu runs will be shown by default then, so don't worry.

    I'd like to request Mac as a platform, since PC games can have some unique stuff that can only be done in a Mac computer, sometimes because of hardware. (Specific case I'm referencing: Minecraft sprinting without pressing a key in Mac because of how caps lock works.)

    So, discussing with Zewing privately, we arrived to an idea to prevent clutter from many categories when separating difficulties and versions, as well as to give more recognition to XC. There will be 6 main (non-misc) categories: PS1 Any% (Normal), PS1 All Stages (Normal), PS1 100% (Normal), XC Any% (easy), XC All Stages (Easy), and and XC 100% (Normal). Since these seem to be the most "competitive" ones. The rest of the 18 or so categories would be sent to misc, since they are technically an option but don't matter.

    And please stop suggesting IGT, it's not a valid option.

    Luiz, are you saying we somehow enforce Real Time strats, but rank by In-game time? How would that even work?

[quote=LuizMiguel] and use igt... as I always say [/quote]    IGT in X6 is inaccurate and differs from RTA in strats, since it seems some slow RTA strats may result a faster in-game time. Also, deaths seem to work in an odd way with the in-game timer. So that runs were comparable with in-game time, and to prevent using slow RTA strats we would have to not only require single-segment runs, but also that the runs have no deaths in them, and since death abuse can be necessary (in 100% for example) it makes it just not viable.

    In-game time is just not an option in X6.

[quote=Cyberdemon531]As far as runners go: XC: 8bit, cirno, me, zewing, kryptoid, substylee, qttsix, souless, crak PS1: fuji, choco, plum, orsa [/quote]    And how many of those runners are active right now? When was the last time kryptoid, cirno, qttsix, souless or crak have been actively doing x6 attempts? Even chocochu is actively doing X6 attempts, and don't include zewing on your side who is in for splitting versions too.

For starters, we can make the categories with no runs (e.g. easy 100%) misc until there is a certain number of runs to guarantee competition (say, 3 new runs from different runners in a 1 month timespan for example)l, the exception being xc, which is always misc.

[quote=SubStylee] what in your opinion is a solid PS1 emulator then?[/quote]     To my knowledge, Xebra/Arbex and PSXHawk are the most accurate Playstation1 emulators currently. I don't know about psxhawk system requirements, but if you can run PS2 emu you can run Xebra/Arbex just fine.

    As for difficulties, I would say separate them in categories in both XC and PS1 if XC and PS1 are made into separate categories, no need to ban them, because they also deserve some degree of recognition (especially anyone crazy enough to run on Xtreme).

    OK, now here is a thread so we can publicly discuss what happens with this leaderboard, with everyone being able to see everything.

    So, ever since I looked into this community, X6 has never had a leaderboard people could be happy with, and discussions about it tended to end poorly, to the point where we had two separate leaderboards with completely different moderators, rulesets, and ways of displaying runs. Now that Speedrun.com is rolling out and API that will supposedly allow to sync src and mmrta, we should try to unify the leaderboards under a clear ruleset. Since I and Zewing have mod both in here and in mmrta, we think applying changes that can get to be agreed upon will be possible even --and especially-- after the merge.

    So far the options for possible changes relating to version comparison that have been suggested are:

• Make the standard PS1 and separate XC into different categories, while banning PS2 emu and standarizing the most accurate ps1 emus.
• Same as the above but instead of separating PS1 and XC, just hide XC runs.
• Keep everything compared together, banning PS2 emu, encouraging the use of XCollection since it is the fastest version.
• Time out loads to keep all emulators and consoles relatively comparable (doing this would make JP the faster version for All Stages and 100% because of text and Blaze Heatnix last donut skip and arguably any% because of text--testing needed--). This would be done either individually or by timing conversions similar to X4 in mmrta, depending on how much stability in time loads was detected. Banning PS2 emu if this option is taken would be up for discussion.

    Along with that, it is needed to discuss what to do about the difficulties. Options that have been presented so far are:

• Compare everything together, encouraging use of the 'fastest one', that being easy in all stages and any% and normal in 100%

• Standarize normal and hide other difficulties from main view.

• Standarize normal and completely ban other difficulties from being used.

• Make separate categories for each difficulty, encouraging competition in all of them.

    And here would also be the place to discuss whether to allow or disallow Fast Disc Speed.

    Feel free to present any options that are not noted and could seem to be a good solution. Also, keep the discussion civil, no insults, unnecessary swearing, ad hominems, etc. Justify every opinion explaining the reasons that make you think it is valid and the best solution, and avoid having that reason be "because the other communities/games do it" as every game is a distinct case from the others.

2015/8/20 EDIT: [quote=Izraill] So, discussing with Zewing privately, we arrived to an idea to prevent clutter from many categories when separating difficulties and versions, as well as to give more recognition to XC. There will be 6 main (non-misc) categories: PS1 Any% (Normal), PS1 All Stages (Normal), PS1 100% (Normal), XC Any% (easy), XC All Stages (Easy), and and XC 100% (Normal). Since these seem to be the most "competitive" ones. The rest of the 18 or so categories would be sent to misc, since they are technically an option but don't matter. [/quote]

    I have to drop my point of view here just in case it may help take the right choice, which, I'll say now, is to give mod to orsa and mopeyjoe (and I would suggest hetfield and Luiz too) and take it away from peter and cyber (seriously peter, why cyber? he doesn't care for any megaman game that's not X6).

    Each game community may decide to work differently from others in its series, or from mmrta, such as X6 or X7 --the former unifying versions and the latter allowing an unofficial patch-- but I am sure that X4 doesn't. Peter may have been in the right when he got the X7 leaderboard, but he definitely isn't here in X4. Even if the situation may seem similar, there's a big difference: Peter did represent the X7 community well, but he does not represent X4 at all, which can be seen clearly now that a good amount of recognized and active X4 runners are speaking up.

[quote=LuizMiguel]I didn't say you want mod. I said you want your friend to have it so he can do whatever you want.[/quote]

  It was me who suggested first that Peter be given mod, not Cyberdemon. Not because he is a friend of mine (I don't know him any more that I know you) but because I recognize him as an active runner that contributes.

[quote=LuizMiguel]just see what they did to X6[/quote]

  Two things: 1) Other games are irrelevant to discussion abuot X7. 2) Since you seem to want to discuss it though, the X6 board in this site is meant to be an alternative to MMLB, since in this site there are several ways to visualize the content, including it making it just as it is in MMLB, which can be done easily by selecting"PlayStation" from the console dropdown list. It is currently designed with that purpose in mind, it was even me who messaged Pac about adding an option to hide emulators so that visualization could be as customizable as possible, and it was added. If the X7 community wants to have an alternative, I don't see why to stop them from it.

[quote=kirkq]LuizMiguel I think your attitude towards this causes far more problems than it solves honestly. You're reasonably entitled to not want to interact with these people, but your aggressive and overly confrontational way of dealing with disagreements is pretty much not productive and pretty much equally "shitter" behavior in my opinion. [/quote]

  I can't but agree partially on this. Every time a discussion happens and either Cyberdemon or anyone who knows him and seems to not be in bad terms with him tries to argue, your replies always come off a bit hostile, often with references to events not relevant to the discussion at hand, such as the previously mentioned: [quote=LuizMiguel]I didn't say you want mod. I said you want your friend to have it so he can do whatever you want.[/quote]   with the related [quote=LuizMiguel]So you guys can destroy another leaderboard.[/quote]   (spoiler: we (moderators of the X6 leaderboard you imply to talk about) didn't destroy anything)   And [quote=LuizMiguel]reminder that cyberdemon got a well deserved permanent ban from SRL[/quote] [quote=LuizMiguel] no wonder why you got permanent ban on SRL for being annoying all the time for everyone.[/quote]   Again, irrelevant.

  That is all I wanted to say about this, I know this isn't the main topic of this thread either -I do not have much to add to the main discussion, since while I know the game, I know I'm not a runner-, but the conversation appeared to be derailed by it so I wanted to give a response.