Gcah, I have nothing to do with this leaderboard.

[quote=gcah2006]My problem now is that you've banned it after allowing someone else to do it. Your rules are inconsistent with your leaderboard.[/quote]

You do realize that the reason why they're banned now is because of you, right? If you hadn't made a big deal about Matt's run using save states just because its the world record and you wanted a reason to make his run removed, then it wouldn't have been the need for a rule change. Even if that's not your intention, you're giving the impression to me completely, and probably other people here.

Back to the real point here, if save states have always been disallowed, then why wasn't it part of the rules in the first place? If this was a BIG problem like you're making it sound like, then this would've been handled long ago. Just going off of "Everyone in the community should already know that! Common knowledge!" is really not a good idea. It shouldn't have to get to this point where someone gets a good time doing something that is "disallowed" to make the rule change. If Matt's run was a 35, no one would've actually cared, which has been shown by all of his previous submissions getting accepted.

On an unrelated note, what is the rule in ng+ attempts using savestates?

It should be the same as this since the attitude is you shouldn't be allowed to do something you can't do on console.

You have to farm a new deck for every NG+ attempt, otherwise it isn't fair.

Yes, grandfathered rules. It isn't a new ideology to do something like this.

But yeah, his run is allowed because the rule didn't exist. When new rules are made it does not invalidate old runs unless it's a BIG rule change that changes the entire game.

This isn't that big of a deal.

When the rules were thought of, we didn't think of writing in the savestate thing. It was never an issue to we never really thought about it. Therefore, it was whoever wrote the rules' mistake (I did not write them).

In order to rectify it, Matt's run has to be allowed to stand under the old rules, and new runs will be held accountable for the new rules. If you choose to not recognize Matt's run as legitimate, then you may, but this leaderboard will reflect otherwise.

@gcah, it's unfair to invalidate a run that happened BEFORE a decision is made, unless that decision clearly makes the run unbeatable, IE. Something in the run itself is banned, this is just something setting up to the run, it's still quite possible to compete with

If from now on any%-type categories will disallow resetting with savestates, NG+ should as well. There isn't luck involved on the cards obtained, but there is in everything else on the run just like any other.

Also, 2cents on save-stating to reset runs: http://www.speedrun.com/gtacw/thread/6ptyc

Having done hundreds of attempts using save states in ng+, I can very safely say that there is no consistency in the heishin duel or any other duel whatsoever, and either way, it would be irrelevant.

Thanks for linking something completely irrelevant to the conversation, SpectreXS.

"I did this a lot of times, and saw no difference" - nice argument, buddy. You know there are things called "logic" and "statistics" on the real world right? Just because you couldn't notice anything on Duel #1 it doesn't mean that there's no influence. May I remind you that the heishin on your jap emu run is pretty garbage, making your credibility even more irrelevant.

Kollin7... what are you doing here again? LOL

But you know what, decide whatever the hell you want, I don't really care much. If FM wants to be a joke community with bad leaderboards, rules and 90% emulator times (on a PS1 GAME), I won't debate further. I just wanna play the game and have a good time, I'll save the overthought drama for everyone else.

epic

spectrexs what the fuck are you talking about?

please form coherent sentences when trying to sound smart in the future, because what you said makes no sense and is completely irrelevant. You claim that save states affect RNG in duels in ng+ (which wouldnt even be a bad thing if it did, since its negligible), so the burden of proof is on you, friend. Wheres your "logic" and "statistics"?

Also, may I remind you that this game is all RNG, so my heishin duel has no affect on my credibility LMAO.

"If you have bad luck, then you're not a credible source of information" -spectrexs

calm down kid