Discussion of rule proposals for No Manip
Victoria, Australia

I'm completely against this idea, I orginally suggested the modded iso thing as a meme. I'm not playing any video game on emulator if I have the choice

Mecklenburg-Vorpommern, Germany

@Grig burn the modded ISO then. There are was to play those on a real ps2 as far as I know. Or just run the category where the old nö manip runs are located.

I actually like the Suggestion of arkild, despite we need to play on a modified ISO there. This would feel like the "Real" nö manip to me, since this really prevent you from manipping (unless you are a TAS bot) intentionally or even unintentionally. I always thought during duels of no manip races things like "is it good to wait another turn here?" "will that GS advantage grant me Dragon Treasure" Or stuff like "a few more random sorts might have given me ez modo" That would be history with that ISO.

I highly doubt this will be a reason since speedrunners are somehow allergic to modified Isos and the history reminds us why we should be... However if this Method really should come though, then I would only do no manip races on that specific iso since that would be the way to ensure pure randomness. And I would appreciate everyone who would use that aswell. The Real no manip way of playing.

Btw. I also think if very rare cases (for example getting exodia'd bei heishin 2) would happen more often on such an iso, since the RNG advances way more than on the regular game and we might Hit seeds this way which we would Hit waaaay later in the Real game. Does that make sense?

Edited by the author 5 years ago
Arkild likes this
Bosnia and Herzegovina

what about the ps3 runners they can't burn the modded iso or can they ?

Victoria, Australia

and what about people who don't want to pay 50 dollars or some shit to mod their ps2 to run a fucking illegal copy of a game they already own?

Mecklenburg-Vorpommern, Germany

Those people can feel free to run the original game then with it's semi-random RNG and submit their runs to the respective category where also all already existing runs will be stored.

For races I guess it shouldn't make that much of a difference. For races, the Main priority isn't competition anyway but rather to have fun with All the participants together.

m13 likes this
Victoria, Australia

don't get me wrong, I don't take issue with there being a mod made for this kinda thing, and people running it if they want to. What I take issue with is the suggestion that no RNG manip runs be primarily done on not only unofficial hardware, but unofficial fucking software as well. The thought of it is beyond fucking stupid. Let's just fucking make the most active category of a game into a gigantic fucking meme for all of the speedrunning community to laugh at, great idea guys, great idea.

Edited by the author 5 years ago
Minnesota, USA

I'm in favor of splitting the categories personally, one for RNG manip one for legacy % or whatever you want to call it.

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