I feel that streaming a speedrun should be considered Co-Op instead of Solo because the streamer can have people in the stream find him/her and help him/her without the need to friend any of them to avoid "infringing the rules" of a solo run which a Non-streamer can't do
I agree with this, and off the new rule that was added "directly working with another person through text/voice chat is not allowed." Megasnoop's DD/DG speedruns should be co-op because he directly tells people on his stream what to do.
I was just about to post this, and I fully agree. The people in the stream are fully cooperative and can summon and help to a point that is unfair.
I had that happen to me, I had someone follow me around during my stream because they wanted to, under the exception they would not join battles or help me with anything because I was trying to tell everyone joining the run is cheating.
Agreed, all of Megasnoops' runs should be co-op because he tells people when he needs help? It's very odd.
Agreed. Just because he didn't friend them, doesn't mean he didn't use them for help. Co-op them. Edit: gagstrategist asked for help in his stream today too Edit 2: timed out for 10 minutes for calling him out
I think we're all in agreement here. Streaming should be offlimits for solo runs. At first I streamed a practice run for laughs but that run wasn't the run I uploaded (I quit 25 minutes into my practice run because it crashed). I'd be a hypocrite if I didn't call it out because of the whole stuff I did to call out that "solo WR"
Yeah even if no one visibly helps you when you're stream it would be too much of a coincidence if you just get "lucky" with invasions.
Yeah, like I said that's another form of cheating we have to be keeping an eye out for. If some guy chooses only specific cog (As in individual, not suits or anything) and cogs suddenly get summoned or invasions pop up EVERY SINGLE TIME it's either the best luck I've ever seen in my life or they have a guy hiding in the alleyway summoning stuff.
permabanned by gags mod who's helping him for only pointing out the run is co op :') and gag says his run is solo. I'm glad the rules were changed and I don't care that my run was changed to co-op because I knew the rules were going to be changed because of me anyways. Some people are very delusional in Gag's stream, though.
I suggest that a 100% solo category be added and nobody is allowed to help in it. This way, gag RNG can't be manipulated to 95% by randoms, or friends. This can technically be done at any time of the day, and you have a greater chance of not having others help you in the early morning hours.
Honestly, I think the "not adding anyone" aspect should be the only part of solo since you have to run to each building. I think it's fine mainly because, well think about it, let's say you're in the brrrgh on the 20 4+ stories. Do you really expect to go the whole time without asking an added friend or someone you can talk with for help? I honestly don't see the big deal with the solo rules now and what all the complaints are about. If you can't beat someone's solo time because of the rules, there's literally no need to get all salty about it and go on a rant. Plus let's be real, streaming allows people to troll and stall the speedrunner, so I don't know what all the complaints are about if you guys don't stream yourselves.
I agree with Hyden, nobody should be allowed to help whatsoever. And I watched your entire run, Hyden. Even though it was half solo and half co-op it's still an amazing time, you should in no way care that it was switched to co-op.
@Barks1 there is a reason they have lure in the game, and also from what you're saying, that means I can just go and boot up a stream and be all like "Hey guys, come help me speedrun -insert playground here- so I can hold the Solo worldrecord for -insert playground here- because its only against the rules if I friend you
@Legofan543 To be fair, I was streaming and had only one person, whom I did call with, help me, but I never added him. I do see the complaints with the solo rules, but walking to buildings is a huge pain in the ass, so maybe it could go under its own category to be a "No Friend" kind of run? But honestly, do you see anyone soloing playgrounds without calling for help, whereas they need a factory or building? (I guess you could go to the full district, but that's just time consumption)
@Barks1 I probably could beat the solo times by hopping on another toon and summoning invasions but that doesn't seem like a solo to me anymore. The Brrgh isnt really relevant since no one has even done a speedrun for it yet. Also, "directly working with another person through text/voice chat is not allowed." so your run should not count as solo.
That's because there has only been 4 speedruns of Donald's Dock and 1 speedrun of Daisy's Garden, the 2 solos of DD being streams and the DG Solo being a stream too, not the mention that the other 2 speedruns of DD are Co-Op runs
@Ross123123 was just throwing an example since we all know there will be people who do it (God knows why...). I don't see an issue with invasion summons mainly because another speedrunner could have the invasion during their time while you're left in the dust (Example: Mingler/Legal Eagle key). If you have an invasion, why not use it? If you don't, oh well. I'm just hearing that anyone can summon it except you, and I see where that'd get on peoples' nerves, but I don't have an issue with it personally.
First off, thank you Hyden for calling out a guy that is trying to abuse categories for fame. At least the mods will now know who's lying when they submit the speedrun. I was the guy that "called you out" per say and I'm very happy that you're returning the favor with this guy. I was mad that such a run was allowed in solo and thank you oh so much for not allowing another guy to steal it. I've been practicing every day and I'd be livid if some guy like that could steal it all away by disobeying the rules/category.
@Barks1, the problem with the loopholes in the rules is that quite frankly Toontown isn't a very skill based run to begin with. It's all about knowing the route (Which is easy enough to pound into your head) and a lot of luck with invasions. If I could just have a toon standing next to me summoning crap, removing the searching and luck factor, what else would there be? Buttons? You might as well TAS the run at that point because anybody can do that.
@JobberMcDumDum Again, I see all points with that whole situation, and Buttons fall under cheating so no, that wouldn't work. Summons can't really be spammed and I think it'd be cheap to spam them throughout a run, but does it really hurt if there's one summoned by you or someone watching? Again, it could be anyone. Let's say that someone watching a speedrun summoned an invasion but didn't say that they were the one who did it. We can all assume it's a random, correct? Don't see a problem with that.
After taking a quick look through this, if you guys would like me to request my runs to be co-op rather than solo, I'll request Connor to change them. It really isn't that big of a deal and I think you guys are making too big of a deal out of it. :)
