a series/game request should be denied if someone submits a segmented run of the game. the reason i feel that this is a problem is because the series mod for the blade series has turned the blade II leaderboard into an un-runnable leaderboard with garbage full game categories. the current full game categories are: segmented, NG+, and cheat%. i just want to run the game normally but there isnt a category that supports this. the segmented category is being show cased which is ridiculous. on top of that, the rules for the level leader board states that only PAL can be submitted yet the leaderboard goes off of IGT so it shouldnt matter what frame rate is being used. this leaderboard is complete trash. there needs to be a rule set in place that states that segmented runs cannot be used to submit for new series or game requests. i feel like this will help with making leaderboards worth running. i was going to run blade 2 but now i dont even want to anymore.
Did you already ask the mod about adding a regular Any% category and why it says you can only submit PAL ILs?
1.) I hate this mentality that there absolutely has to be a leaderboard in order to speedrun something. Just fucking run it, otherwise you're doing it for the wrong reason. 2.) You know you that this belongs on that game's forum, not here. So take it up with the game's mod/runner
[quote=KomradeKontroll] I hate this mentality that there absolutely has to be a leaderboard in order to speedrun something. Just fucking run it, otherwise you're doing it for the wrong reason.[/quote] well, wanting to have all their records in one place is too much to ask for, eh?
I think people care too much about a virtual trophy than just speedrunning the game they like.
If you're waiting for the board to exist before you start runs, then yeah, that's a sign you're doing it for the wrong reason.
no komradekontroll. my post belongs here because the root of the problem is that segmented runs are somehow acceptable for new leaderboards. this is a series/game request problem as i have stated earlier.
also the reasons i speedrun are no one elses business or concern but mine.
Jesse I hope you understand that segmented speedruns are still as valid a speedrun as single segment runs are. Segmented runs are done to show just how low the time can go down with a "godtier" run
also, my point is that i can run this game without it being segmented. the super mod of the series obviously could not. i feel that him being given an entire series just because he submitted a segmented run is poor distribution of power because look what happened to the blade II leaderboard.
Segmented runs should not be compared to single-segment runs at all, Lonne. Segmented is showing the utmost limits of what a human can do with the controller and the game, beyond which strategies are often restricted to TASes (Tool Assisted Speedrun) only. Segmented runs often feature several tricks which are not RTA-viable and those tricks that are RTA-viable are often done setupless or in harder manners than normal (when said harder manners are faster), because in segmented runs you can just retry a small portion of the run time and time again until you get a "good segment". Furthermore, things which are generally not manipulated or concerned with (enemy RNG) are at least attempted to be controlled in some manner when feasible as you can simply retry segments until you get one with favorable RNG (unlike TAS, the RNG state is not required to be the same throughout the run, which effectively means that a segmented run may not be possible to recreate single-segment because of the RNG states not aligning. Why segmented can do this is because of how infeasible it is to require the RNG state remain the same, especially on a more modern-day console). Having a "leaderboard" for segmented runs is rather useless since a segmented run, done well, often takes months if not years to complete.
Segmented runs have a place in speedrunning as showing off the upper echelons of what a human can do with the game using things RTA can't do for various reasons. Segmented runs don't need a leaderboard due to the time it takes to create one, and do not belong on a leaderboard with single-segment runs as they are fundamentally different and are more comparable to a TAS than an RTA run. In the end, there not being a single-segment leaderboard for the game is an issue, but I'm also not sure if this is something that needs to be addressed in general; I feel this is better addressed initially in the game's forum itself.
As a final note: For promoting a segmented run, I feel that adding it in as a guide, linking the finished product's playlist, is the best option. Yes, it is a run, but it is also a run that cannot be legitimately compared to an RTA speedrun.
i didnt compare segmented runs to Single segment runs, all i said was that they are still valid evidence for boards
Jesse, your motivations are your own, but your motivations matter when you're asking someone else to take actions on your behalf.
I agree, generally.
There's a game I just don't bother with because the only mod submitted a segmented run long ago. I'm not going to do a segmented run, and I'm not going to do a run for a game where it's impossible to get a good time because it's not segmented.
I mean, I don't really care about a "virtual trophy" more than speedrunning or anything.... no wait, I'm pretty sure I care more about the leaderboard.
Yes, i get told that alot. if i wanted a trophy so bad i could easily get 100’s by just adding categories to the boards that i mod. If i cared about a trophy, why on earth would i input times on the board beating my own times from youtube? Why would i make the top runners for these games mods? But this is something that i should not have to explain because my motives are irrelevant. I fight for what i believe in. That is my motive.
Hey, maybe even ask him if he can make you a mod, he could be a swell understanding person and add you
tl;dr
"just because he submitted a segmented run is poor distribution of power"
it's speedrunning dude, chill lmao