The Lion King (Genesis/MegaDrive) Forum  /  Adding milliseconds in Top runs?
  EstacacoEstacaco
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Alright 7 months. Time to make a ruling or a vote I would think, this pot has been left on the burner long enough. Either we start adding ms on new time and start filling new runs with ms or we remove them from the one existing on the board in my opinion. A single ms time looks poopy. A shared place will look better.

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  8BitsOfJoy8BitsOfJoy

Now that the time saves are becoming less and less, and a tie currently exists for 2nd on the most popular category, I can see adding ms. Is the common opinion to still only add it for times below a certain threshold, for example, runs below 12:30 or 13:00 for Easy and something comparable to the other categories? I feel like that is a good compromise in not needing to frame count every single run that gets submitted, yet still allowing the board to look clean and organized. Curious to see what people think about that specifically before a vote happens.

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  SarabiSarabi

Hiya. Okay. I replied to this post 8 months ago stating that I was all for milliseconds. However... I will say Akiteru's points made still stand after this time. The current runs aren't fully optimized to the point where it would be fully necessary. We have a tie from time to time, but they normally don't last very long. We still have quite some time before ties start hitting the top 3-5 without change due to the runs being optimized.

I look at games similar to this, such as Lion King SNES, Aladdin Genesis, Aladdin SNES (this one having nearly 200 runs) and none have used milliseconds, regardless of them having extremely tight and precise runs. I just don't think we're there yet, just like those games.

In the end, I think it's clear we're going to have a vote soon enough, so whatever you guys really want, I'm okay with it changing.

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  EstacacoEstacaco

I think it's worth making the transition now so that its less work than later having to add/change them and keep up with them. I'd also like to point out that between all the boards there are currently 6 ties.

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  BronkelBronkel

First: I'm in for adding ms to make a difference at tied runs/positions (for the top).

The argument that the run isn't fully optimized is a fair argument but misses the point IMO.
We're talking about a decision when a tie between runners appear. It's possible that runners stay at their (split) time for months. We've already seen this in the past.
The initial proposal was to use ms as a tool to dissolve those ties. That's fair enough.

Just because the run isn't optimized doesn't mean enough people are willing to put in the work to get to this point later on. We know what barrier the 12:30 and 12:20 can be. I'm not surprised if we'll have multiple shared times in that area one day.

The Kirby's Dream Land board (to give another example) doesn't have that too. We've got multiple #3, #5, #7, #11 and the list goes on. But I think it doesn't look nice.

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  SarabiSarabi

Hey everyone, we’ve gotten a poll together to vote about two things:

Saves states & Milliseconds. Go ahead and put your vote in:
https://forms.gle/m8ix2Tjq9CMpLDkJA

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  InsomnimaticInsomnimatic

Alright, we've had this poll up for a little less than a week now and it seems that everyone that wanted to vote, has voted. A quick thank you to everyone that participated and let their voices and opinions be heard here on the SRC TLK forums and on the Discord channel.

Our first case is pretty straight forward, the response graph is showing that we're sitting at 90% agreed and 10% opposed to the swap of starting from a soft / hard reset to starting from a save state that is made at the title screen.

Effective Immediately: All runs* will no longer be required to start from a full reset. You may use a save state, if you choose to do so.

Our second case is not as simple, we don't have a clear consensus at all. It is close to being 1/3 of the total votes for each option, so we may need to do a run-off vote or simply wait a little longer until we see runners become a little more optimized with the game. Personally, I believe the top times are at least closing in on becoming very optimized, but you never know.

Seeing as how 72.8% of the votes are for adding milliseconds to the leader board times, we will more than likely have to do a run-off vote for our final answer on this poll.

Thank you all very much for your patience. I know it can be annoying to wait on a poll or change to take place, so we appreciate it.

 
  BronkelBronkel

So, 75% (9people) said yes and 55,5% of those said "yes, but only ties.".

I think we (you, the officials here) can make it somewhat official, cause it's already being used to determine current WR?
There are still other draws to re-count but I get that it can take some time to do that.

 
  SarabiSarabi

Milliseconds will now be used for ties/draws on the Lion King Genesis/Megadrive leaderboards only.

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