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  LivLiv

@RiekeltRiekelt I've had similar thoughts before as a feature, but can't comment on how realistic this is to implement from the site's end.

 
  DaravaeDaravae

@RiekeltRiekelt Its possible but it would probably be best implemented when the site would allow realtime updating without manual refreshing.
Because even if a mod could sort of output a notification for the other mods that the mod in question is currently already reviewing a particular pending run, there could still be instances (probably a tiny margin but it can happen) of two or more mods literally clicking the same run at the exact same moment possibly ending up still "locking" the same run.

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  TheRealVincentioTheRealVincentio

If possible I'd like the option to choose whether the current leaderboard times for a particular game are added to "Time w/ loads" or "Time w/o loads" when updating a game to have separate load times. Currently it adds all times on the board to "Time w/o loads" no matter which method you choose as the default timing method (which I assume is used for sorting the runs, but I'm not to sure). I'm very un-enthused about potentially having to manually swap the times from one to the other for all 400 odd runs on the ASAMU boards.

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  movax20hmovax20h

I have a simple piece of feedback, because it is annoying to see everywhere:

On pages like:

https:/​/​www.​speedrun.​com/​games#platform=PC (in the drop down menu).
https:/​/​www.​speedrun.​com/​resident_evil (in the drop down menu)
https:/​/​www.​speedrun.​com/​factorio/​run/​yj3xlxoz (in the bottom)
https:/​/​www.​speedrun.​com/​factorio/​full_game#Any (in Platform column and in Filter -> Platform, as well on the left side under thumbnail)

replace all references to "PC" by "Windows" or "MS Windows"

PC is very broad term, and covers a lot of things, in generally anything that is x86 with semi standard parts like ISA or PCI. It can be DOS, it can be OS/2, it can be Windows, or Windows NT, or Mac, or Linux, or BSD, or FreeDOS, or DosBox. It can even be differently standarized hardware, like PS/2, or PCJr. One can consider PS4 and XBox One a PC from technical point of view too. So, I really think it is bad idea to use term PC to denote Platform, because it is not specific enough, and also not respectful to Linux and mac users. Normal Linux x86 machine is definitively a "PC", but for some reasons it is not classified as such here - it has own category. Separate category for Linux makes sense, but saying Windows == PC is simply bad.

I guess having Windows and DOS (which could be DosBox, or other emulator, possibly ones built into Windows itself) category would be nice.

Linux is also a bit too broad, as Linux can mean many things - Linux native games, Windows games played with Wine, DOS games played with DosBox, Bochs, or KVM; webbased games; emulators for countless systems (from NES, MAME through Wii U to PS3) used on Linux, etc.

Thank you.

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  ShikenNuggetsShikenNuggets

Guides should be able to have multiple authors. Sometimes it's a team effort. Should also be able to set/edit authors. I've had to add guides to the site that were created by others, and I've also occasionally updated guides where the original author's content was completely obsolete.

On a completely unrelated note... I'm randomly noticing a bunch of new features being added to the site. This is fantastic, but I'd appreciate if new features, bug fixes, or other changes were documented somewhere. It's a little weird being blindsided by a new button I've never seen before, or a new option that I'd actually want to use.

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  RandomnoRandomno

Can there be a note under the "Community website / wiki" field clarifying the purpose of it?

 
  DaravaeDaravae

@RandomnoRandomno What would there be to clarify about a community website / wiki? Seems pretty self explanatory to me.

 
  RandomnoRandomno

I'm glad it is so obvious to you, but if you explain to me what the intended purpose of it is, I'm sure I can find many leaderboards where the purpose was not clear to the moderator.

 
  UniwersalUniwersal

Hey, this has probably been brought up at some point by someone, so I apologize beforehand.

I mainly enjoy playing/viewing IL leaderboards and one thing that always bugs me are the empty time boxes since I don't know if the category simply hasn't been performed yet or it can't be performed for some reason.
I wish that moderators had a tool or something to mark the unplayable IL time boxes, so they wouldn't misrepresent as being unplayed due to lack of interest from the players.

I noticed that the Croc 2 community already made their own solution to this by creating a fake user and blocking those categories as a N/A 0.01s fake player. https:/​/​www.​speedrun.​com/​croc_2/​individual_levels

I do wish there was a more sophisticated solution to this though, like a tickable toolbox for modders which would make the rectangle darker and put a white cross over it or something like that.

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  ShikenNuggetsShikenNuggets

@RandomnoRandomno The purpose is... for a community website or wiki. As an example, Goldeneye links to The Elite, which is their pre-existing rankings site. Legend of Zelda links to ZeldaSpeedruns. Those are both speedrunning websites created by the community for those games.

It's not exactly rocket science. I don't really see what needs extra clarification there (also if you're bringing in examples of leaderboards misusing it, worth noting that IIRC it was actually mislabeled for a while, so that's likely why it's been used incorrectly).

Originally posted by UniwersalI wish that moderators had a tool or something to mark the unplayable IL time boxes

Fully agree with this. I hate hate hate when there are "N/A" placeholder times. It looks awful and messes up tons of API stuff I try to do involving ILs. But leaving them blank also sucks. An alternative would be good.

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  DaravaeDaravae

@RandomnoRandomno Its.. a link to a community website or wiki from that respective leaderboard? Can't think of anything else on how to otherwise interpret this. You can hold everyone's hand on this website, but ultimately there will always be moderators who will insert the wrong kind of link there either way. Even if it would have a clarification, there would still be moderators not looking at it, even though this is really self explanatory.

 
  RandomnoRandomno

Thanks for both including those ellipses. I wanted to be absolutely clear on what the staff intend it to be used for before suggesting any games use it "incorrectly".

Originally posted by ShikenNuggetsalso if you're bringing in examples of leaderboards misusing it, worth noting that IIRC it was actually mislabeled for a while, so that's likely why it's been used incorrectly

I remember when it was labeled as "Website / Wikipedia". That was a while ago though and Wikipedia links are not the only issue. Also, "wiki" still makes some people's minds jump to Wikipedia.

I won't list specific examples of misuse, but if you search 'site:speedrun.com "website / wiki"' you can see how common it is. The issue is of course how few games have a dedicated speedrunning site. It's probably one of the least used features on the site, but since it exists, I think it's a good idea to provide some information on it. Other fields have this, such as "eg, smb2. Optional, must be unique", "For matching streams on Twitch", and "Non-expiring invitation link". Community website / wiki only has the example of "zeldaspeedruns.com", which is not explicit at all.

And yes, even if you put in big capital letters not to link to the Wikipedia article, people would still do it, but it won't hurt to add some clarification to a feature that is so often misused.

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  ShikenNuggetsShikenNuggets

Okay but what needs to be clarified? "Don't put a Wikipedia link" is a valid suggestion, though as you said it people would definitely still do it, and for people who think wiki = Wikipedia it would probably cause even more confusion. But like, do you have any specific suggestions for what should actually be written? I'm having a lot of trouble coming up with a one-liner that isn't superfluous or entirely unhelpful.

I've skimmed a couple of games to get an idea of where things are going wrong. All the examples I've seen so far were either:
-Related to the old labeling
-Deliberately misused
-Don't seem to understand what a website is
-Either didn't intend to use it, or completely failed to copy and paste a URL

I guess we could add "Optional" to it so that people don't feel like they have to put something there (which is potentially the source of some of these) but beyond that, I got nothing. Most of this seems to just come down to "outdated" and "user error".

On a related note, since this actually is somewhat widespread (I see a few notable games that seem to have missed the memo on that not being a Wikipedia entry) perhaps this is something Content Mods should be watching out for and cleaning up (if they aren't already). The search suggested in the post above is very effective.

 
  RandomnoRandomno

I don't think you can put all Wikipedia links down to the old labeling. I agree that a concise note is difficult to write. I would suggest something like "Not for wikis unrelated to speedrunning, or direct links to the game".

EDIT:

I'm not sure how prevalent Wikipedia links are now compared to in the past, but one suggestion I just heard is to block Wikipedia links in that field. There's no circumstance that would be the correct usage of it.

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  ShikenNuggetsShikenNuggets

Originally posted by RandomnoI don't think you can put all Wikipedia links down to the old labeling

I'm very confident that in the vast majority of those cases, the moderator(s) either:
-(Understandably) haven't looked at the setting since, and therefore haven't even seen the new label
-Saw the new label and (somewhat understandably) thought nothing of it
-Saw other games using Wikipedia and thought that was correct, despite the labeling
-Was confused due to the original labeling, and simply left it as is
-Just didn't really care

The only thing other case I can think of is what you suggested, where people actually think "wiki" means "Wikipedia". If this is really a thing, I have to wonder if those people would even read an extra note, never mind understand it and act accordingly.

Anyway, back onto the real topic...

Originally posted by Randomno"Not for wikis unrelated to speedrunning, or direct links to the game"

This is pretty good. I do actually see this being slightly helpful going forward.

Originally posted by Randomnoblock Wikipedia links in that field

This is also a good idea. I wonder if we could even just mass-erase all the current Wikipedia ones by the same method.

 
  DangerlessDangerless

I don't see why it actually matters, even if your game doesn't have anything for it I would gladly and happily take a simple game resource page that just talks about what the game is, what it features, etc. People take so much crap so literal on here that its sometimes laughable, could I get these results from a three second google search? Yes, but that's not really the point because the majority of games outweigh the few that can properly use it either way. Seriously, do you guys not actually realize how few games have dedicated sites/pages to begin with?

Who knows, maybe that simple wiki game page might help a few people make some effort to run your game if they knew what the exactly the game even was?

In short; I personally only want to see game leaderboards link off to sites/pages related to the game or community itself. If its being used to place illegal content, pornography, etc then it needs to be reported so we can do something about it. The reality is to straight out to remove it instead because it has very little practical use if you focus solely on a dedicated website or/and page.

 
  PASRCPASRC

If I wanted to see what a game/what a speedrun of a game is like, I would just watch a run of it. Watching a game gives you a much better taste of the game than reading a wikipedia article.

 
  DangerlessDangerless

@16bitPanda16bitPanda Yeah, that has nothing to do with what I said and completely misses the point. Congrats.

 
  ShikenNuggetsShikenNuggets

I don't really see the value in linking something like the Wikipedia page that isn't speedrunning/community specific (and I could be mistaken, but I remember someone on staff specifically saying it was not for Wikipedia links at some point), but if site staff doesn't have a problem with that now then I guess there's no issue.

Though, there are a bunch of them that are outright busted should probably be fixed/removed.