Forums  /  The Site  /  Mods of Crash Bandicoot: N. Sane Trilogy abusing power
  pentalekspentaleks

https://www.speedrun.com/crashnst/forum

The mods not only don't know how to have a discussion but they also delete your posts when they disagree with you.

Please, some moderator take a look at this issue.

 
  starsmileystarsmiley

I don't understand how this is abusing power. They explained their reason for why they decided to set it up the way they did and get frustrated when you ignore what they said and continue the conversation.

Am I missing something?

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  RikoRiko

You've missed nothing, that's exactly what's going on. We have explained things thoroughly and he refuses to listen. I'm deleting his posts because we're all tired of seeing them and the discussion is beyond over, though he insists on continuing it.

If anything he should be banned from posting in that forum (if at all possible, I'm aware it's not a power that the leaderboard mods have) for constantly spamming it.

 
  pentalekspentaleks
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They not agreeing with I'm saying is not the problem. Here's the problem

"nah" - Answer for my first post on this topic

"There was a reason, you just chose to ignore it." - They said this before explaining the reason

"Constantly telling us what we should be doing with OUR game that YOU don't play does nothing except make you look like a douche (which you already admitted to).
We're not changing anything, and if you have a problem with that then you can leave, because you are bringing nothing productive to the table."
- Calling ownership over a game because they have the leaderboard control. Saying that I'm not bringing anything productive despite me explaining how disabling Vsync in a PC game is standard.

Plus, Deleting 3 of my posts.

 
  RikoRiko

Alright, since we're gonna play this game:

https://www.speedrun.com/crashnst/thread/o89oe/1#j590s <--- My post, explaining why things are capped, 10 days ago

https://www.speedrun.com/crashnst/thread/sfn13/1#2gqtn <--- "There was a reason, you just chose to ignore it", 1 hour ago.

Oh yeah, I didn't explain at all. Actually you just chose not to read.

Also, of the three posts I deleted, two of them were, "You can delete my post but you can't deny the truth," and, "This abuse of power has been brought up with the moderators," neither of which are productive. And the last one was a post pertaining to the discussion that was already over.

There's no abuse of power; there's just you being a whiny baby because the way we moderate a game (that you don't play) isn't the way that you want it to be moderated.

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  toca_1toca_1
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1. Nothing about uncapping FPS in a PC game is standard, the smallest portion of games does that if it's justified by very big skips not possible otherwise.
2. This gonna be fun
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  pentalekspentaleks
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I'm not answering any of the Crash Bandicoot: N. Sane Trilogy mods since you guys refused to continue the conversation with me by deleting my posts. I'm not sure why you're posting here.

 
  RikoRiko
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"I'm not sure why you're posting here."

Because you were intelligent enough to warn me that you were gonna post here lol.

I'm not obligated to continue a conversation that everyone besides you wanted to end.

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  LivLiv
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Some games will force a specific framerate because there can be issues with collision and A.I (among other things) present if it's unlocked, and even a simple 120fps can break things in certain games. Resident Evil 5 being one example I know of, with the A.I failing to function as intended when VSync is disabled / when you hit 120fps.

If there's ample reason for them to request locking the game to 60fps and the runners for the most part agree with that decision, then I don't really see an issue.

Some conversations will simply go in circles and not actually go anywhere when debating rulesets and so forth. It's in these instances that I believe moderators should handle the situations and either make a decision / finalize a ruling.

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  pentalekspentaleks
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That's not the case in hand @Liv. They simply prohibited disabling Vsync without a reason because, right now, nobody knows what can potentially go wrong (or right) when using high framerate.

My request wasn't because they didn't agree with me, but because they started to delete my posts in order to force their small friend circle's opinion.

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  LivLiv
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At least from notes made in this thread: https://www.speedrun.com/crashnst/thread/o89oe/1#j590s in the first post, one can assume some things are affected by altering the framerate past its cap.

That said, it sounds roughly like a lot of the methods to achieve this are by altering settings in your GPU Control Panel or through general settings on your PC, and not actually by simply altering a setting in the game itself. Which makes the case for them forcing 60fps locked even stronger, really. If this wasn't the case I imagine the moderators would probably be less opposed to restricting it. Doesn't appear to be the case, though.

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My request wasn't because they didn't agree with me, but because they started to delete my posts in order to force their small friend circle's opinion.

Though I don't necessarily agree with moderators deleting posts (disruptive posts should really be reported to site mods for us to clear up), the post wasn't really that productive to begin with. And from reading it myself, it was far more likely to just instigate a needless argument if it had been left there. Same with the other two posts, really.

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  pentalekspentaleks

The lack of coherence on their justification is outstanding. According to their rules they require the use of an THIRD PARTY software to monitor the framerate but they don't allow the use of the NATIVE graphics card software to change Vsync settings.

So you're saying to me that it's okay for mods to delete posts because they don't like to hear opposing opinions, no matter if they're productive or not? What happen with answers like "nah"? This one is very productive right?

If that's your judgement, I rest my case then. Sad to hear this kind of behavior is accepted in this site. You might as well delete this post if "it's not productive".

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  LivLiv
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Comparing monitoring a games framerate to a setting that will adjust how the game plays / performs is outstanding, if anything.

Mods are okay to delete posts if they're attempting to instigate an argument, yes. From the looks of it they gave their explanation on the ruling to you multiple times, which is a perfectly valid reasoning, on many occasions. You respond by telling them they're entitled and that they "clearly don't understand how framerate works".

A lot of games operate this way. Most will not allow outside settings to affect how the game performs because then you're able to influence your outcome in the game with the software on your PC, not the game. Some games natively allow 120fps, or they'll include the ability to unlock within the game's settings. Doesn't seem to be the case here, as I've said before. Correct me if I'm wrong.

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  pentalekspentaleks
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By having Vsync On, you're changing the how the game performs anyway. Consoles are locked to 30fps. Your point if flawed.

 
  pentalekspentaleks
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Answering to your post edit:

I run (or used to) several games that High FPS improves the gameplay. In competitive games, having Vsync ON is not a choice, it's completely stupid (sorry there's no better word) because it adds input lag and stuttering. Again, nobody knows what are the consequences of using high framerate in a speedrun setting on Crash N. Sane Trilogy. Banning it without any proof of detriment simply reduces the game's potential not only from a glitch-hunting perspective, but also from a performance pespective due to the input lag Vsync introduces.

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V-Sync (vertical synchronization) ties the GPU's framerate output to the refresh rate (frequency) of the display, which resolves screen tearing, but introduces stuttering. With a 60Hz display, this would force an FPS of 60, meaning the display will anticipate a frame precisely every 16ms. If the GPU misses this timing requirement (takes too long drawing the frame), the display will repeat the previous frame. This eliminates the chance of “tearing” by restricting the display only to drawing frames every refresh interval, but can cause stuttering when the 16ms window is missed (the display will repeat the previous frame).

V-Sync can introduce performance and stability issues, especially when the FPS output is already less than the monitor's refresh rate. V-Sync will lock the FPS to the monitor's refresh rate.

https://www.gamersnexus.net/dictionary/7-game-graphics-settings/41-v-sync

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  LivLiv
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Already given my own viewpoint on this, at least.

Personally, I agree that using settings / software outside of the game itself to influence how a game performs (which it cannot achieve natively / from within the games configuration) is in general a bad idea, and is something that is perfectly reasonable for them to restrict/place a ban on. Not going to argue on the benefits to having VSYNC off or having 120fps, because it's really a redundant discussion in this situation.

Not really any need to continue this discussion. If you want any other Mod/Admin to chime in then they're free to, but I'm fairly sure they would all come to this same conclusion, anyway.

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  pentalekspentaleks

Can you restore the first post they've deleted? I'll have nothing to add beyond that.

 
  CriscoWild

Even if Pentaleks is being dumb, you really shouldn't be deleting his posts. That crosses into shady territory that I think should be avoided whenever possible. When threads like this are made and the rest of us can't go back and look at the evidence because it's been deleted, it really doesn't help. If you're sure Pentaleks is in the wrong, let his posts show it. Otherwise it might look to some people like you've got something to hide and you don't want that.

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