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if it aint broke don't frickin' fix it. this layout looks terrible

BlitzPhoenix98BlitzPhoenix98 likes this. 
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I generally like the changes. Thanks for the hard work guys, I know it's hard rolling out updates and quickly bugfixing and still having people in this thread be like "THEY DONT LISTEN TO US!!!! IM GONNA DELETE MY ACCOUNT!!" lmao. Everybody saying "it looks bad" is not providing feedback at all and is not being helpful.

Anyways, I'm gonna list my thoughts, many of which have probably been mentioned before;
- Please make more use of horizontal space, and the font bigger.
- The dropdown for leaderboards definitely is clunky and I personally think a new solution is needed altogether. It's also weird that some of the options of the dropdowns are larger than the dropdown widget itself.
- I agree with changing the place identifiers; having 1st/2nd/3rd back would be nice, also having the 'th' back on all the other places.
- Bump up the threshold for number of subcategories before collapsing, and maybe include a label for what that subcategory is
- The stats - I think the stats separated by a / need to be distinguished more, its a little confusing to look at. I don't think a / is really indicative of the relationship between the two. Maybe parenthesis? And I'm not sure what "Game Added"'s time format is set to, or if there's a setting for it, but I thnk changing 2017-09-30 to "30th of September, 2017" is more user-friendly.
- I agree with showing the name of the community website and I think it's an important detail
- For games that do have a Misc. tab, at least Cuphead doesn't have the tab indicate that it's a dropdown, and I think that should be changed
- For main boards, the order of the dropdown categories is "Full Game", "Cat Extensions", "Levels", but for the extensions board it's "Base (?) Categories", "Full Game", "Levels"; I think the order should be standardised and that a better name for Base should be used - something like "Main"? I'm not sure honestly, and I don't know if Base has been used before. The main thing is the order.
- If it doesn't already, the News should sync between main board and extension board. Or at least give the option to. I know that might be convoluted.
- I would like the option to include moderator stats on the user page for games that I used to moderate, but don't currently, and perhaps a "Total runs reviewed / time" stat as well
- I don't understand the visits stat
- I would like to be able to hide specific games from these stats (for e.g. I'd like to hide Seterra from my Games Run stat)
- Many of the user stats seem unnecessary, "Comments Likes Given", "Comments Likes Received" for e.g. - these also seem to have incorrect grammar.
- Covers are still too small
- The comment section on a run - I like this feature - but it needs a re-design. Feels weird that this page is so much wider than the rest of the site. It also feels weird that avatars don't appear. I don't know what you guys have tested, though

Things that I think look weird but I'll get used to (so I don't think you should fix for now):
- Moderator name locations (truly a niche and unimportant thing for most users)
- The usernames alignment on boards
- Right sidebar instead of left sidebar now

Things that I would also like to see: (additional)
- Guides / Resources syncing between a board and it's extensions (or linking to the same place)
- Custom ordering of games on my user page, so I could show off maybe what I'm most proud of first. I understand that this section has likely not been touched yet in the re-design.

Thanks again guys.

IvoryIvory, TegronTegron and 8 others like this. 

I'm gonna join the choir that this is just... completely unprompted and unnecessary. I don't think it's a matter of being used to the old version either, it's like it goes against how most websites are designed.

Beyond just moving things around seemingly at random: why is all the text tiny? It's a size (and possibly font?) that legitimately becomes pixellated/aliased at 1080p

Similarly, tiny (and unmarked as such) buttons? Like they're only visibly "separate" when you mouse over them, much like in the most recent firefox update. Just have separate interactable elements be clearly outlined!

(also... tiny game art for some reason?)

All the added info boxes to the right is stuff you would find in their own neat categories through the buttons on the left before, and the buttons that were once there now seem completely unimportant. So the intention was to make non-leaderboard information more clear, while ironically making it more obscured by having it be "scrolling feeds" instead of separate "subpages" you can click into

And the thing that I think is the most subjective, but still makes me feel like an alien: isn't it the standard everywhere to have buttons to the left, "main info" either in the middle or right? Wikipedia does it, youtube does it. I think adding the new "feeds" to the right could work if it was much smaller, such that you had LEFT-important stuff buttons MIDDLE-leaderboard RIGHT-feed in some proportions where the leaderboard was clearly the main component

IvoryIvory, TegronTegron and 7 others like this. 

The "games followed" section feels incredibly stalkerish. What purpose does showing how many times I've viewed a certain game page serve? Scrap it or add an option to make it private.

MoknicorraMoknicorra, IvoryIvory and 10 others like this. 

I did a write-up regarding today's changes:

Markdown version:

@MetaMeta how do today's profile page changes fit within the SRC Privacy Policy? Am I correct in asserting that the policy's "Service logs" section is the applicable bit of text?

HelixHelix and Yummy_Bacon5Yummy_Bacon5 like this. 

I just edited one of my runs, in a game I don’t moderate. It left my profile and went to pending actions, however, on the page for the run itself there is no indication that it’s awaiting verification. I’m not sure what it looks like on the mod’s end, but it could potentially confuse them as well.

MrMonshMrMonsh likes this. 
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It's cool to see a lot of the stats on the new profile page, but yeah, it shows way more than it necessary. Total runs, run time, number of runs per game, etc? Cool! But people don't need to see how many times I've visited a page or how many likes I've given/received on comments.

IvoryIvory likes this. 
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I simply wish the game boards are reverted back to the way they were, they were much better in the old way, I don’t see how people like the new game board change. Also, next time you update something try asking us to vote on it first.

IvoryIvory, HelixHelix and 2 others like this. 

The new leaderboards just suck ass. Everything is smaller and is now just a pain to use. I've found myself using the site less and less since the takeover because of how awful most of the updates are.

skunk_hahahahahahaskunk_hahahahahaha likes this. 

wouldnt be opposed to reverting everything that happened today either lol

IvoryIvory, PearPear and 3 others like this. 
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Also, why isn’t this thread stickied?

HelixHelix likes this. 
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Why was everything about this update removed except for the part I hated? I didn’t want the other features to go away, look I know this is harsh and I’m sorry, but please notify us first and let us vote.

HelixHelix likes this. 

Might as well drop my thoughts

- Let people turn the stats off, either individually or as a whole. I know that entire section just exists to cram another ad-per-page in but I do not want my entire activity on this site publicly logged and easily accessible. Especially stats like "runs reviewed" or "last visit." I'd rather just another large banner ad that takes up the entire space those boxes fill, because at least I can prevent the banner ads from stalking me.
-- Stats like "runs reviewed"/"last visit" would be good info for a Super Mod to have on Mods (in the extent of their specific board), but not something that should be public unless a person chooses to make them public.

- The Game News tab should not be below the Game Stats tab and it certainly shouldn't be below a fucking autoplaying video ad. Yes, this site is already unusable without adblock so its basically required anyway, but still.
-- Moderators should at least be able to change the order of these boxes, even if you stick the awful autoplaying video ad in the same spot.
- Zoom everything in on the boards pages like, 10%. There's no legitimate reason everything has to be that small.
- The info tab in the Edit Game menu looks good, tho there's still a lot of superfluous information in there (why are the Game Type checkboxes still there and grayed out? why not have a platform dropdown?). Every other tab remains mostly unchanged or looks bad, but is functionally fine which is all I care about for mod settings.

Run Comments:
- People need to be able to turn off run comments at least, if not have them be something you opt into. As with any comment section, it's basically open for all kinds of exploitation
- There need to be moderator-run filters available for comments and a way to review comments before they go up. Let people regex out the slur spellings or community-specific shit.
-- Extend this out to individual users too, to block unwanted comments from being seen by anyone but maybe moderators of the board.

In general tho, while I appreciate at least listening to the criticisms that "nothing has been done for the average user while Elo's continuing to find new ways to monetize the site" in the wake of the Severed Steel criticism, this seriously feels like it needed one or two people to stop on by with a critical eye and point out the issues present. Be it the beta tester idea thrown around here or something else.

IvoryIvory and primalpizzaprimalpizza like this. 

Stop trying to be a Social Media. Just be a leaderboard. Just gives more unneeded work for the overworked game moderation teams.

Next time please do a beta run or preview of features to collect feedback -before- rolling out huge swathing changes like this. Because now it really feels like "yep we changed things, and you're going to have to raise hell to get us to revert anything."

MoknicorraMoknicorra, IvoryIvory and 8 others like this. 

I have noticed a few issues, and some things I personally don’t like. The biggest thing however is the comments. I would personally like to disable all comments on my runs, or at the very least have complete control of my comment section. Banning users, notifications when people comment, etc. My other main gripe is fixing things that are not broken. The leaderboard layout was fine before, and shortening names of categories, and the arrow for games with too many categories were changes for the worse. I also would like to have control over what is displayed on my profile. I don’t see why anyone needs to know how many times I visisted a page, and when the last time I visited a page was.

PearPear likes this. 

Some positive feedback, thank you for adding run comments. We've been asking for that for four years! (Or at least I have)

You rock, ELO team. Thank you for keeping the site moving forward. You don't know how good it feels to have frequent updates instead of waiting months and months for a tiny change!

diggitydiggity likes this. 

I wanna know who the hell decided it was a good idea to allow comments on other people's runs.

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Summing up my thoughts on the new layout for categories, after giving it more thought. Hope site staff and other concerned users will give it a read.

##New category layout changes
• If a "top level" category for a leaderboard has more than 4 categories, any extra categories are hidden behind a "scroll right" button.
(In this context, a "top level" category is any category you can edit via Edit Game -> Categories).
This means you will need to keep pressing the scroll button as many as 5 or 6 times for Category Extension leaderboard with a lot of "top level" categories.
• Any subcategory below the top level categories (any category that you can edit via Edit Game -> Variables) will always be hidden behind a dropdown menu if there are more than about 4 subcategories.
* This is inconsistent with how excessive top level categories are handled, it seems weird that at least the first 4 subcategories are not shown in a row on the leaderboard, and that they are all hidden behind a dropdown.

## Why the current category layout is bad

I think the thing that irks me with the new category dropdown/ scroll right button is it comes off as very condescending and bureaucratic for the sake of being bureaucratic
Game mods could already hide extra categories under miscellaneous categories if they wanted before; clearly if they didn’t do that they had a good reason to. For instance, maybe the game mods figured it is better a leaderboard look a little messy aesthetically, than it being hard to find all the categories. Either way, it should be left to the community/ moderators of each game, and not handled by a central bureaucracy.

The category layout change comes off as Elo thinking they know better than the individual game mods of how to format leaderboards and taking it into their own hands.

## Possible Solutions

• Ideally, we can just revert the category layout to how it is before, giving game moderators full creative control on how they would like to structure their leaderboard categories. Again, I am baffled by this change, and misc. categories are effectively obsolete in leaderboards with many categories now. The freedom for which categories to hide and how is out of game moderator's hands now.

Alternate Solutions, if reverting the changes altogether is not possible or desired by Elo
• Note that "4 categories" is a rough heuristic here, the maximum amount of categories per row seems to also be affected by the number of words in each category name.
• For top level categories (see first picture above), please put excessive categories beyond the first 4 in a dropdown menu (similar to how misc. categories worked before). I'd much rather use a dropdown menu to access additional categories, than use a scroll right button, which could take ages on some leaderboards.
• For subcategories (see second picture above), please format at least the first 4 subcategories in a row on the leaderboard, before putting any further categories into a dropdown menu. As it is, it doesn't seem logical that if you have 4 subcategories all will be shown on the leaderboard, but 5 or 6 categories will result in only one being shown, and the rest in a dropdown. Let's have some consistency here between top level category and subcategory layout.

Thanks for reading if you got to the end.

IvoryIvory, OceanBagelOceanBagel and 4 others like this. 
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For top level categories (see first picture above), please put excessive categories beyond the first 4 in a dropdown menu (similar to how misc. categories worked before). I'd much rather use a dropdown menu to access additional categories, than use a scroll right button, which could take ages on some leaderboards.

literally just remove the arrow altogether lol, it just hides tabs and it's unanimously horrible for games with lots of categories. put it back the way it was before, where all tabs are actually visible and the community can choose how to organize them any way they want to.

IvoryIvory, discranoladiscranola and 3 others like this. 
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@OxkniferOxknifer your thanks have been in vain, if you have not paid attention, Elo soon removed both the stats and the run comments and kept the only aggravating thing about this update, was this done out of anger? And why has any part of the site open their mouths yet? Remember, it’s not you we’re mad at so don’t be afraid to speak to us.