Albany, NY, USAGG on first run! Looking forward to seeing more from you, sir. :)
Just a hair early on the stop time but ndb at this point in time. GG! ♥
Whaaaaat I missed the run?? : o
Aside from that little hang up in the Factory that was a really solid first run, GG! ♥
I think that's reasonable -- if nothing else just to clarify the current rules -- though I do hope we can find a way to alleviate resets in the future. I personally have heard from quite a handful of other users on Twitch and YouTube that they'd actually be open to running the game IF the reset rules were changed to something with much more run-start consistency.
Though with that thought in mind that you just mentioned, A_Frame, the rules currently state that "All runs must begin with a reset that is visible in the submitted video." If we are going to clarify that the rom/platform must provide a random character on startup/reset, would we we be required to do at minimum two?
I could see an instance where a run is submitted, and although it is with a reset, it is only one reset. One reset wouldn't necessarily confirm that a random character is being provided on reset. Would we have all runs start just on power on, and then at least one reset to visually confirm?
I do not currently have access to my hardware (still in storage x.x) so I won't able to assist in that one, but the overall conversation so far it seems to me that everyone's findings are reasonably sound.
I think for now, until more conclusive testing is done and depending on possible upcoming board activity, that we could probably leave it as-is. I'm open to mostly whatever we decide on this as a community, though!
Sure, I'll bite. I'd like to test it just to see it for myself, if nothing else.
@velpachallenger, would you be willing to share it in the SegaCrew Discord sub-channel for the game as well, or allow one of us to? Most of the game discussion tends to take place either there, or on the runners' streams (although we are happy the forums are actually seeing some use! <3).
Yeah like we mentioned in the thread you started a while back Lynn, you can't influence the starting character unless you do an input that's normally possible on hardware (down + up simultaneous, etc.). The purpose of my question was specifically in relation to what is the very first frame the game accepts an input. It may not be on frame 167 for every character, since you don't do the same input for your first movement as every character. (I don't move with direction + B with Psylocke for instance).
Hi, sorry I'm late to reply to this! I did notice the 3 frame difference in Bizhawk too, but it did not seem to exist when I tested in Kega and BlastEm. It could stand to undergo a more thorough check for sure, but I think I agree with A_Frame for now, given all of the bullet points mentioned in the post directly above this one.
Arkan, (or whoever else might know/replies to this first) does Bizhawk only spit out Nightcrawler on resets? You mention the game only accepts a direction + B input before frame 169, and I am curious as to if it's because that is normally most characters' direct movement option in the air. I would like to confirm if Right + A input for Psylocke or Wolverine (they use this input a lot for movement unlike the others) is being accepted on frames 164-167 like I feel they do in Kega. I don't think dying and then restarting from character select is the same frames-wise as a hard/soft reset of the game.
I'm not very good at maneuvering around a lot of these tools to check frame stuff yet but I'm trying to learn! Go easy on me if I said something off lol
Wow, you were the last person I ever expected to see another run from! GG ^^
Hi, emulator runner here. Most of us that I know who do run on emulator use Kega Fusion 3.64, always random on reset every time. I think with the exception of Joe, all of us who run on emulator use Kega for this game.
That being said, I wouldn't be opposed to this either, as my views on my live attempt streams tend to tank whenever I have to reset and am waiting on getting Psylocke again to start. I think another question to ask in regards to that, is would that rom hack make Magneto playable from Siberia? (Looking at you Topaz ;3) I ask that because if, in theory, this type of rom hack is allowed, that would potentially drastically change things for Single-Character Magneto runs.
As far as research into forcing a character on startup is concerned, the TAS is able to force Nightcrawler to start, but from what I remember reading about it's due to an input you can't do yourself normally (like up + down and that kinda stuff). To my knowledge, we haven't found a live way to do it naturally.
Sorry if this is not so helpful to you, but I at least wanted to give my own thoughts on the matter as well as give you a reply. Plus it's just nice to see someone else having interest in running the game!
