Is the run dead?
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5 years ago
Derbyshire, England

There is a lot of time to save in 8-4, I think the time will be broken within 2 months.

Komsic doesn't get optimal turn around room and also in the turn around room there is no fast accel

Edited by the author 5 years ago
Valhalla
kyraa
She/Her, They/Them
5 years ago

One (tas) framerule in 4-2

One framerule in 8-1

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Massachusetts, USA

Well, 8-1 fr has already been done by a few ppl using savestates, it's only a matter of time before people start getting consistent and I'd give it a year or 2 and by that point someone will probably have gotten wr using current strats+8-1 fr save. Faster 4-2 was also found to be humanly possible; after 8-1 fr, my guess is a few more years before there's a wr using that as well. After that (aside from some 8-4 frames) the only other tas fr is the 8-2 one, which currently doesn't seem humanly possible, but you never know; the same thing has happened with pretty much every humanly possible fr discovery in the past few years. Basically, the breakdown is this: current strats with amazing 8-4 = 4:55.6, with 8-1 4:55.3, and you could theoretically just barely get 4:54 with a godly 8-4, as well as new 8-1 and 4-2 frs with current strats, but i think it'll be many years before that happens (like, 2025 or something), if ever. Assuming 8-2 is never found to be humanly possible and no other frames are found in other levels, that's where the run will die. In summary, with an optimistic viewpoint, the category will most likely be dead by the time a human gets a 4:54.

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Ohio, USA

There is also the possibility of a whole new glitch being discovered which would revitalize the category. I might look into glitch hunting sometime in the near future

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Alabama, USA

ik there isn't any glitches on this but like, we should try and find a glitch where u teleport from world 2 to world 8 somehow would be sub 4 XD

Antarctica

@NickySteingraber theres already a thread about that, and no its almost certainly not possible

New Hampshire, USA

@NickySteingraber Yeah @AndrewG would've found a glitch like that by now.

Ohio, USA

What about glitching the pipes in 8-4 to skip rooms?

Antarctica

@Novawolf nope not possible, unless you are talking about wrong warp

kkcool

If somewes can be 80% consistent on a good day at FPG (which requires like 4-5 frame perfect inputs), then like, why can't we get consistent enough at 8-1 FPG? It would be pretty funny to know that, finna 2 bump 4-2 + BBG was considered impossible bacc then, but now we do, 1-1 FPG, 1-2g, 4-1 FPG, 420 blazit, 8-2 BBG, and 8-3 FPG, and hey, we did it Also, I need to shoutout this other method of lightspeed 4-2, proven possible by the lit b named KingOf_JonnyBoy since it seems a little more reasonable (because the clip you finna release left for exactly 1 frame, and also release right for exactly 1 frame hard tricc) You do perfecc bumps, fast accel in underground, perfecc pipe entry (you do some crazy 1 frame right press witchcraft) and you do a few fast accels in the warpzone Hey, maybe it's not easier, but it's another way (y u guys hav no faith in hard triccs?)

1 more thing, PAL is a thing aldynsDab PAL runs at 50 FPS, while NTSC runs at 60.666 or some witchcraft Even though Mario moves faster on PAL per frame, and they end up moving the same speed, it's actually significantly slower to play on PAL due to the fact that on both versions, both the flag move down 1 pixel per frame (I think?) and the timer counts down 1 time per frame. So you can imagine the difference, timer only counting down 50 times per second on PAL while it counts down 60.666 (or some witchcraft) on NTSC.

Well HOL UP, because PAL FULL FPG is possible WITHOUT L+R Discovered by the legend himself, 4:58.259 legend KingOf_JonnyBoy

Full FPG is so effective, that even if you were playing on PAL, you could actually finish the level faster than on NTSC (that's right) You can do it on every single level with a flagpole, and then yeet your way to 4:54

But seriously, bacc to earth here, it's an EXTREMELY hard tricc You like have to do 10 frame perfect inputs/non inputs (including releasing right for exactly 1 frame, but hey, it's easier on PAL) If you could do it like 3 or 4 times in a run, you could 4:54 or something but hye thatjkl's just a theory A GAME THEORYDKFLKJS;AFJKDSKLA;JF

Antarctica

i feel like some1 would have to put as much dedication into this game to get a 454 as cheese put into sm64 to get a 139 i dont think these will become any more realistic or easier, but it will happen and also more framerules will probably be discovered in the future

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Philippines

Pretty much we still stuck at this framerule(1-1 FPG,1-2g,4-1 FPG,4-20 blazit,8-2 BBG,8-3 FPG)and a perfect 8-4 (44s 476ms by GTAce99). Maybe in a future we will get another Framerule again.

ok

Those mentioned framerules are difficult to save and require impeccable timing. I don't see those framerules being saved in runs any time soon.

Remember, these tricks are already somewhat deep into a run. That 4-2 clip comes after two flagpole glitches and one pipe clip, and saving the 8-1 framerule comes after all of that.

People have saved time over the normal speedrun route in 1-2 of SMB3 by sliding through the level (about half a second), although it's quite inconsistent, so it's never used. These tricks are just as difficult and inconsistent, but it occurs much later into a run. 1-2 is just the second level that's played in SMB3. For an SMB1 warps run, 4-2 is the fourth, and 8-1 is the fifth.

Both of these tricks have too many moving parts to be incorporated deep into attempts at the moment.

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Illinois, USA

How late it is into a run doesnt really matter, humans can do it, so therefore, the run isnt dead

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Philippines

I think the 4:55.580 is the best possible time (credits to Bismuth). So technically it's not dead. And of course everyone can get the WR by just tied world records.

@ CuBored

Nobody has saved the 4-2 framerule with HappyLee's method yet.

Never did I say the run was dead. There are still several frames to save in 8-4. But there is only so much a human can do in succession. If 8-1 was the first level in the game, perhaps we would already be seeing people attempt to save the framerule, but it is not. Saving that framerule in attempts asks for too much at the moment, as an RTA speedrunner would have to perform a perfect fast acceleration with perfect inputs, manipulate subpixels (praying that you did the "perfect fast acceleration"), and perform a more inconsistent flagpole glitch.

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Philippines

It's not technically not possible. It just it was super hard to do.

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United States

somewes after his new record 4:55.796: "This still isn't my end goal. I wanted like a low 7 or a high 6. BUT, I am gonna do 8-1 practice now."

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