When do you start the timer?
7 years ago
Canada

I use ntsc-j original console with a Japanese copy of sm64. Sorry; this question is probably asked a lot and has probably become redundant at this point. Regardless, I don't know when to start the timer. Pls help?

France

Start the timer at the same frame you reset the game You can watch existing videos to know when the timing starts and ends

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North Carolina, USA

There's a little more to it than that. Unless going for top tier times or doing single stars/stage RTAs most people aren't too anal about retiming. That said, for timing by hand, you'll want to power on/off and start the timer at the flash that occurs about a second after powering on. If you're lazy you can start your timer at -1 second and power on and hit timer at the same time

As dumb as it sounds, if you use the reset button, the timing starts when the shutters appear (basically as you hit the button), so it's "faster" to use power switch over reset button. I agree that this sounds retarded, but it's how things are ¯_(ツ)_/¯

Perhaps Gothic or someone will pop in and clarify further

Edited by the author 7 years ago
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Canada

TFW it takes some amount of effort (albeit very little) :( Wouldn't it just be so much easier to start the timer at file select? lol Whatever, I'll manage. It shouldn't be too hard :D

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Australia

It would be much easier at File Select, yes. Now I don't run the game or anything, but I believe starting it at Power On is an outdated rule that was never changed, and is why it's the standard today.

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Illinois, USA

Honestly I don't know why its not at file select. It seems like if it is an outdated rule it should be changed. One thing is also SM64DS starts on file select

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England

To my knowledge the Japanese RTA timing has always started at power on and seeing as runners predominantly run on N64 to compete with the Japanese runners who always have; it only seems logical to use their timing scheme as well.

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United Kingdom

It's a Japanese timing standard and since the original runners of the game were the Japanese then the community followed. It is NOT going to change and ffs it's 8 seconds difference it's not a big deal. And honestly, for you to suggest the ruling should be changed when you don't even run the game is a fucking joke in itself, I'm afraid.

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it's a little arbitrary, but honestly, after running the game for awhile, reset timing has grown to have a special place in my heart. plus, with reset timing, sm64 follows the same rules that TAS timing does, which is nice.

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Canada

I always thought turning the system on and off was bad for it.

I guess not?

United States

Would definitely be nicer if it was just file-select timing.

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United Kingdom

Can I ask why? Like this shit really gets to me lol, it is 8 seconds of your life to time correctly? It's also not gonna change. Like I honestly don't understand.

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Canada

@GothicLogic For me anyways, FS is just easier because I have an easier time splitting and pressing A on the controller at the same time. Whereas with RS, I have to reach awkwardly to turn on the console and split at the same time. The other problem with RS is that sometimes my n64 sucks and when I turn it on it fails to actually turn on so I have to try again. Which makes things slightly inconvenient. It's not about the 8 seconds (I couldn't care less about that) it's merely for convenience's sake In all honesty though, it is not much of a bother. It may cause some microscopic amounts of hassle, but it's really not that big of a deal when we start the goddamn timer lol. Just saying that FS timing WOULD be easier. Albeit only a little.

Love you Gothic btw. Good luck with the 1:44 :P

United Kingdom

You don't split as soon as you turn on the console though, there's about one second when you flick the switch before you start the timer. Personally I just think that it's silly to not start from power on no matter what. Thanks though.

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New York, USA

I just filmed a run of mine that started from file select. If I submit this will be it be declined? I'd be fine with adding time to it but I'm just curious if I have to throw it away.

United Kingdom

Yes you have to do another run and start from power on

Mexico

start the timer when u turn on the console is absolutely stupid , we need change that rule

Waxy and dav3yb like this

hey guys i don't really play sm64 at all but i think that we should allow wii u vc for single star because it's official hardware

thanks!

I've been trying to find a real answer to why runs start on reset/power-on for a while. It's clear now that there is no real reason behind it. Tradition is probably the worst reason as well.

I'll always start my time from file select, and if anyone cares enough, they can just tack on the few seconds if they're that anal about it.

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Kentucky, USA

Set your livesplit timer offset to -1.00 and start it when you push the reset button

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