(I'm bad at rules and stuff but maybe together we could make it work OpieOP) So with glitchless, i'm thinking of getting rid of the Out of Bounds sections ofcourse but i feel like for example the DarkIce Mines seam walk can stay since it's not a glitch, i think you need to place the 2nd spellstone and get the 2nd Krazoa Spirit to get to cape claw, but not too sure on this. so i guess:

No OoB Seam walk in DIM is allowed No sequence breaks (if there could be any) (Probably some more but guess we have to discuss it a bit since i'm bad at this stuff :p)

Without Cape Claw Early, the second spirit has to be obtained and deposited. So the following shouldn't be allowed: Dark Ice Mines Gate Loading Glitch Cape Claw Early Baby CloudRunner Skip Red Eye King Early Super Quake Skip (Staff Swapping can't be used) Walled City Oob Underground General Scales Glitch.

Allowed: Dark Ice Mines Seam Walk Ocean Temple Window Jump

Not sure about the Barrel Clip in Dragon Rock...

I mean if the collision isn't there that's absolutely borderline so to be safe I'd say no to throwing barrels through walls tbh.

In addition what do you guys think of saving / quitting and death abuse? Should we allow this as well? Asking because lots of game communities restrict these in glitchless categories.

Barrel Clipping is also in CRF, so it can't be used there as well. I think save quitting and death abuse should be aloud. I can't see why they shouldn't be unless they cause glitches. They're not glitches in SFA.

Yea what Jub said sounds good, i don't think we should allow the barrel clips, i guess it's kinda the game not having the collision but it kinda is a glitch and it's inconsistent anyways :p and i'd say allow save quitting and death abuse, it's just not a glitch what so ever

(I'm not known with staff swapping so can't say anything about that)

Any form of clipping should be considered a glitch and therefore be banned by the description.

staff swapping was used before superquake skip became a thing. Without ground quake, superquake couldn't be used. A way to get around this was to set super quake to 'Y' and then press 'A' on FireBlaster. Then press 'Y' and 'A' at the same time. This let superquake be used without using mana as well. So... it's a glitch, no doubt,

Clipping can be considered a glitch, so everything else sounds good?

Ah alright thanks Jub, never knew about that, that's definitely a glitch yea, and not allowing clipping is fair and everything else sounds good to me

If everything is good, how should the rules be described? Just list what isn't allowed?

I'd say something like this:

Beat the game as fast as possible. Saving and Quitting is allowed.

Timing begins on file select and ends on final hit on Andross.

Dark Ice Mines Gate Loading Glitch, Cape Claw Early, Baby CloudRunner Skip, Red Eye King Early, Super Quake Skip (Staff Swapping can't be used), Walled City Oob Underground And General Scales Glitch. Are Not Allowed

Dark Ice Mines Seam Walk And Ocean Temple Window Jump Are Allowed

Ok. So if everyone agrees with the rules, I'll go ahead and create the category.

I'm sure that MushroomSoda run was glitchless Kappa

Please edit to Glitch Less Kappa

Was it really? Should I actually put it on?

i tried to watch entirely but its too long here is the video

i didnt see any glitch on it

I looked at every section with major skip glitches. I don't think I saw any either. For all we know, the submitted runs with no video proof could be glitchless as well. But given, there is no proof so I guess Mushroom gets it by default. I seriously want to switch his run to glitchless. Would be fucking hilarious.