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I have checking for different speedrun category on Sonic 3 & Knuckles, but i have not found this category:

"Sonic + Tails / All Emeralds / Glitchless"

Some reasons for that?

I want to try speedrun and submit my best time, but don't know if it's possible

Thanks for yours reply

(Sorry for my poor english, i'm french)


The reason we don't have glitchless boards is hard to quickly yet thoroughly explain. There are two main reasons. Firstly, it's harder to define what is and isn't a glitch in this game than is apparent. Multiple discussions on the matter have come up for years, and they all lead to extremely difficult (and sometimes outright confusing) questions to figure an answer for regarding a ruleset for such a category. Secondly, there's the argument that it's very easy to accidentally trigger small zips and other random oddities in this game, which could invalidate a glitchless run and lead to many dumb resets.

If I were in your position, I would go ahead and run Sonic & Tails All Emeralds Glitchless and go ahead and submit the time under the "Sonic All Emeralds" category as it would be a valid run for that category (as long as there are no inputs made on the second controller.) Then if, in the future, the glitchless conundrum does somehow get solved, the interest is there, and the board does end up being made, you could submit runs to that board at that time, as well.

It can be an unfortunate situation, but it is one that is much harder to tackle than it seems. If you have any other questions, please feel free to ask.

PuniiPunii and kickasspancakeskickasspancakes like this. 

Thanks for your reply, you have answer to my question


Last question:

I have checked the rules and i have see this

"the game must be visibly hard resetted before a run"

I am on Kega Fusion emulator, and i make "Soft Reset" in emulator option (and we see "soft reset" in the corner), this is okay?


For verification purposes, it is required to do a visible hard reset on emulator runs and for the "Hard Reset" text to appear in the corner. A soft reset will not suffice, even with "Soft Reset" text.


I think a good solution to this problem would be a “no major skip/glitches” ctatgory. This would ease up the ruling for the catagory and make it so runs are not as often lost to all of the small oddities.


Run submit for me,
I hope new category is feasible...
All Emeralds + glitchless (no major glitch) is very interressant to run (i tought)