So my question and possible issue with the current purposed rules is that while a run should all be in a single uncut submission I do not agree or like the fact that Saving and Loading the saved file is not currently allowed.
I have yet to even play the game nor have run a RE game before but so long as saving and then loading a file created during the run, so long as its not any other file should be fine in the sense.
In most cases for many games having this as an option will cost players time regardless but for newer runners or less experienced runners like myself with the game, it at least allows us to have some sense of a run/progress rather then die and have to reset due to taking a death or some other issue like a crash.
This is a big part to why i have not wanted to even bother speedrunning most other games with these kinds or strict stipulations in the past.
I'm Curious if anything at this point because I have been going through the Series of games over the last several months and have thought about doing runs of the many games but these kinds of restrictions hamper my desire to even bother learning the games.
If this is relevant at all I play pretty much all games off console, as well as RE2 when I do get around to it now that I have it.
The game is timed via igt. If you save a file, then do anything in the game and then load a file, you have altered the time of your run, this is because when you load the game again it loads the IGT at the time the file was saved. This isn’t really being strict, it’s common sense in a single segment game timed via IGT. There really isn’t a reason you should have to load a file at any point in a run of this game as it were.
Loading a autosave file which takes you back to the last checkpoint resets the timer. But if you die it takes you back to the last checkpoint but the timer is still ticking.
So for hardcore runs, if you die then the run is over.
Whoa. I just played Leons Story on Hardcore difficulty and i have to say this is going to be fun speedrunning this game on Hardcore. i died atleast 20 times. usually on boss fights. LUL But im pretty sure there are going to be some routes/strats which makes it possible to run this game without dying
Well if the game is tracked via IGT that makes sense in not on why it resets the so called in game timer to the last time of the save. But it seems like Hardcore tracks the time even if you have to continue from the last save, so while loading probably should not be allowed, I don't see why saving and then allowing continues should not be.
The only time that the game seems to not be counting IGT is if you actually Force Pause the game. I also do not think its as common knowledge as you imply it to be, as it seems many games and communities have a different approach to what they consider single segment to be. My understanding is that is a single recording in its entirety of the actual run from start to finish, so any time wasted between is time lost not gained. I don't see where continuing would give you an advantage if its the same file you created during the run.
But like I said i think continuing since it does not reset the IGT should be fine with the making saves since it costs you time to even do it.
probably just a lost cause in my case so i'll just skip the series and this game all together, but Good Luck to those that do run the game. All i can say is Hardcore is rough enough as is the fact If I wanted to speedrun it I cannot save so if for w.e i die and need to reset is just silly if its tracking in game stats like total time played and deaths/continues etc.
I don’t know many* Resident Evil games on this website that have segmented sections... There might be one or two somewhere for like Code Veronica Knife etc. but other than that most runs and categories are single segment due to the tracking of in-game time. It does suck that if you were to run Hardcore you could die to something stupid late on in the run and lose it, but that’s just speedrunning I’m afraid.
Nothing’s stopping you from running the game and using saves, you just wouldn’t be able to submit it here.
RE4-5 are segmented, maybe RE6 also, but idc about this game.
Anyway, I dont see a single reason that justify segmented runs for this game since we are gonna use IGT
I think if you were to die on standard difficulty and it puts you back at the last auto save, the igt timer would track that death I am assuming, but on hardcore and you die by something, that's basically a reset, although hardcore is meant to be a tougher category to speedrun so you just gotta go into hardcore with the mindset of getting zero deaths from what it looks like.
Ah true, I know very little about 4-6 specifically. 7 has Madhouse and that's single segment, and there are (or were) plenty of runners able to finish runs without saving or loading. You'll find runners already have done single segment runs of Hardcore too, so yeah, I don't see a reason to add segmented either.
Segmented runs aren't really made to be competitive anyway, They're literally a show case of what an optimized single segment run would look like
I see no point in segmented. If you want to do it in your own free time then go for it...Seg is a bit boring to do honestly
We'll I'm still learning the game perhaps things will change, I will say Hardcore is no joke. I just find it very difficult atm to even expect to finish if i don't have a save to continue from. So i guess thats just how its gonna be "git gud" i suppose. Just late game is gonna be a pain with how much can end you in a single instance.
And I think for me it was more of me being so use to RTA runs in general which i guess are very different aside from the timing which is originally why I purposed the question and concern sorry for any issues I may have brought up.
Once you get used to the game, hardcore will be a bit easier to manage etc. so just practice the bosses and enemies and you should be fine. most things on RE are timed by IGT since it is avaible lol
Once you get used to the game, hardcore will be a bit easier to manage etc. so just practice the bosses and enemies and you should be fine. most things on RE are timed by IGT since it is avaible lol
Yeah this no saving and loading doesn't really make too sense. The whole get good kid mentality is not welcoming at all to anyone new that would be interested in submitting runs. We may as well be doing RTA. The runs submitted should be done in one sitting but as far as loading saves that were made in the same run then I don't understand a problem. For example, is it an issue if I pause the game go to sleep and come back 8 hours later? I've technically manipulated IGT but never loaded save should we not pause the game?
Speedrunning is supposed to be a challenge. The folks who might be turned away by that particular rule are typically the lazy folks who don’t want to take the time to learn how to actually play the game and just want to be able to tell people they have their name on a leaderboard.
Speedrunning takes forcing yourself to learn how to complete the challenge put before you with whatever arbitrary rule set that has been created. This particular rule is how basically all of this series has been run, so, it’s not like it’s some crazy new thing made to upset people. You can’t load a save in RE7 either but that game brought on so many people that were brand new to speedrunning anything and was one of the most submitted for games the year it came out. This doesn’t block accessibility.
I’m not telling anyone they have to “get good” I am simply saying take the time to learn how to play through the game because not everything needs to be dumbed down to be accessible.
Speedrunning is meant to be somewhat of a challenge, yeah, plus the main discussion has been about the difficulty of Hardcore runs here. So I’m struggling to understand why anyone would actively choose to run the hardest difficulty with a number of possible run-ending moments (for the challenge?) but at the same time want to reduce said challenge by allowing saves and loads ‘in case something goes wrong’? Why not just run standard or NG+ in that case?
No one’s telling anyone to get good, just that there’s no point in adding segmented/RTA for people who are worried they might die mid run. That’s not what segmented is for, and it would make Hardcore a pointless category to have on the board imo.
Let me advocate for segmented run allowed : Not everyone can sit for an hour (or more) straight. Handicap ? Disease ? Who knows, there is a IGT so why prevent people from running if it doesn't change anything in the end ?
How many games don't use IGT ? A ton ! Place yourself in the shoes of someone who wants to speedrun but often can't because of the time constraint... RE2 remake would be a really good opportunity for handicapped people to be able to participate, so why blocking this possibility just because YOU don't see the advantage ? If it doesn't disadvantage other people, there is no good reason to not allow segmented run.
Please, bear in mind that not everybody is like you, there are already plenty of barriers of entry already, no need to add more just because...
@snoolsie Yeah, I have the feeling that this community will be exclusive, elitist and will turn away a lot of potential speedrunners.
-Single segment only (goodbye handicapped people !) -120fps only (goodbye poor people !) -Capture card required (understandable, but still a barrier of entry for some people) -Version "x" not allowed (goodbye people playing on the "console x" !) etc
the speedrunning "community" isn't inclusive (not the SJW BS "inclusive", that I don't care it's not relevant). It's as if they didn't want new challengers to be able to join unless this person is from the same "circle" already...
