Resident Evil Zero Forum  /  New category (Locked)
  0_yami_00_yami_0

Hello,

I added a new category, and a run with, New Game with the Door Skip mod (PC only, of course...), like REHD, a whole run can save about 20 to 25 min, tell me your opinion about this.

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  thelarsvoltathelarsvolta

Are you also open to add a ng+/wesker doorskip category? I'd be willing to submit a run for it once I've got a satisfactory run for it.

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  thelarsvoltathelarsvolta

yo thanks for adding this, just submitted my run for it, the rules are wrong tho at the moment
it says :
"New Game with difficulty set to Normal Mode or Hard Mode.
New Game+ and Leech Hunter unlocks are not allowed. "

when it obviously should be the rule set from the ng+ category.

 
  CriscoWild

I'd like to see a board added that I can submit Easy runs to. I just started playing the game and I'm hoping to learn on Easy before I work up the nerve to try Normal or Hard. While I'm doing that, I'd still like to submit runs on here and use this site to track them. Hook me up?

 
  LivLiv
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All that needs to be asked is if Easy is made, someone please put the Normal mode times (or just top 3) on there as placeholders until active runners do an easy run.

Having an Easy mode 1st place time being worse than a 1st place Normal mode time is about the most redundant thing ever.

 
  CriscoWild

I'd be willing to do a run for the Easy board right now. I thought I had one ready to go when I wrote my previous message but my OBS hecked up halfway through and split the VOD's in two. RIP me.

 
  LivLiv
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I mean it's not about an Easy run being on the board, it's more just about Easy runs not having worse times than Normal.

Why for most part the Normal runs should just be copy/pasted into Easy. Pess and Yami's times are pretty solid, and both are a good placeholder even for the Easy category, really -- despite Easy possibly having several minutes worth of time save.

 
  CriscoWild

You wouldn't feel weird about having Normal runs on an Easy board? I think I would. Why do you think it might bother you to see an Easy run that's slower than other Normal runs? I wouldn't normally think to compare the two. Are there few differences between the difficulties? I'm not familiar enough with them yet to know.

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  LivLiv
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Easy is pretty much just less pickups and enemies having less HP, meaning boss fights are faster on DPS alone, etc.

There isn't much difference route wise. if any. Easy would be faster on bosses dying faster / less item pickups alone pretty much. Why it makes sense, at least, for Normal WR to just be copy-pasted into Easy for time being.

What sense does it make to have an Easy category if the runs in Easy are slower than Normal/Hard when the only logical sense is that it should be much faster? Alternative, I'd say at least, is that it's proposed and players can do runs and once there's some runs they can be put into Easy so it's not just a bunch of one-and-done submissions.

 
  CriscoWild

For me, the sense in having an Easy category is just that I'm currently playing on Easy. It doesn't occur to me that I should compare my Easy runs with someone else's Normal or Hard runs because it's a different difficulty and thus a different experience. If you're comfortable with Easy and Normal runs being on the same board, I can be ok with it. I don't personally think intermingling difficulties on one board is the way to go but I won't complain if the end result is that I have somewhere to submit a run. Would you be alright with renaming the current Normal board to "Easy/Normal" and then having me submit my run there instead of making a brand new board? As far as I know, I'm the only one asking for the ability to submit Easy runs at the moment. I wouldn't complain about having a board all to myself but maybe it's not even necessary.

 
  LivLiv
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Well I mean, Easy could be it's own thing, I'm not against like Easy being a separate category.

My main problem is Easy being made and the '1st' place time being really unoptimized and worse than Pess and Yami's time, or SovietBoss' 1:30 GCN time done on Normal, which are all pretty damn optimized.

Like I feel a pretty strong Easy run should at least be done before Easy is added is all, but that's just my take.

Mods can take it from here.

 
  TheStunningParallelTheStunningParallel

My question and comment here is, is Speedrun.com only for super godlike pros or for everyone? Not all speedrunners can compare with the best, naturally. Also, A. there aren't many runners for this game and B. some runners have gone to other games or are just taking a break indefinitely.
I'm not so sure I like this elitist arguing.
Be happy people want to run the game...!
I think there could be several more categories for this game. But I think there's rather a lack of runners, not categories.

 
  LivLiv
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Having an Easy category where the top time isn't at least faster than all Normal times just makes no sense though.

It's not about being good at the game. It's that, for example, having an Easy mode WR be 1:18:00 and a Normal mode WR be 1:17:00, would make little sense, as the Normal WR should then supersede the Easy mode run as it is technically just a more difficult Easy mode. What you actually do in the run itself isn't any different. The only difference, run wise, is pretty much boss health pools. They die faster but strats will remain the same.

 
  CriscoWild

Give it time and someone will eventually do an Easy run that maybe ends up being faster than the Normal WR. Easiest way to encourage that to happen is make a board now and let my shit run stay up there in 1st place. Eventually someone's going to see it and be disgusted by it and set out to beat it.

 
  PessimismPessimism

I personally don't see an issue with adding an Easy board. That will be up to the mods though. I also don't see how this is being seen as "elitist arguing." Liv is bringing up valid points.

 
  CriscoWild

Here's an Easy run that I did a few minutes ago -

It's pretty slow. I need to watch someone else's run and figure out where to save time aside from just knowing the layout of the rooms and where I'm going. Maybe I can learn something and get a PB in my next run.

 
  PessimismPessimism

Dope. It's in the hands of the moderators though. I believe Anderson is the only active mod.

 
  CriscoWild

I'm actually not sure if you get a IGT screen at the end of the game for Easy. In all of the runs I've done, I haven't been shown one. After the save screen, I'm taken back to the main menu of the game. Maybe I need to beat the game quickly for it to appear or maybe Easy just doesn't warrant its own IGT counter; I'm not sure. If anyone else here wants to give it a try, feel free.

 
  LivLiv

Yeah final IGT screen doesn't exist on Easy.

So it'd have to be timed RTA.

 
  CriscoWild

You're saying you won't make a board for me to store Easy runs on unless I get a certain PB? That doesn't sound fun. What kind of PB are you looking for? I only just started playing the game and I've only done two runs; I have no idea how long it might take to get really good at this.

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