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Recently, Rabi-Ribi has received some updates that make the definitions of some categories questionable. Even without some of the updates, some of the categories were still questionable. This post is going to address this topic of categories and offer arguments from multiple points of view. We need to talk about this as a community sooner rather than later, and also discuss any future changes in categories. Some background information: Categories were previously established, but now they're a bit shaky. Recently, the game was updated (on Easter) and added a brand new collectable: Easter Eggs. Since this is a new collectable, the question is whether or not this should be included in the definitions of 100% and Low%. ----- The case for argument 1: c) Easter Eggs and potential future updates should not be included as they are not counted by these counters. The case for argument 2: C) Future updates that add collectables don't need to be considered at this time because they may or may not adhere to some of these previous guidelines. ----- ¤Regarding the map completion tracker, given the restriction on movement options, map completion is generally N/A for Low%. The case for argument 1:
The case for argument 2:
----- All Bosses Post Game All Town Members (ATM) We should attempt to just fill out this menu. This means that Keke Bunny should be fought, but Shadow Rita and Shadow Pandora can be skipped. |
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In case this was a TL;DR, the basic questions are: 1) Should 100% include collecting Easter Eggs despite not being accounted for by the game's percentage tracker? 2) Should Low% avoid collecting Easter Eggs despite not being accounted for by the game's percentage tracker? 3) Should the "Defeat Irisu" category just strive to defeat Irisu ASAP, fill out the Town Members menu, or include fighting all bosses including optional ones? (Post Game? All Town Members? All Bosses?) |
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100% allows eggs |
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I had a poll for ATM versus the other options and ATM won out so that's pretty much been decided on. |
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1) When it comes to 100%, it usually seems to be, IF the game has a percentage counter, then you use that to determine "full completion". So 100% on the save file should be the decision there imo. 2) Low % is a little grayer for me. I'm leaning towards not collecting them, cause of the definition difference. Low % to me was always, beating the game with the minimum required items/stats/gear/etc to actually defeat the final boss. ALttP can't beat Ganon without a way to light the torches in the boss room for example. Rabi-Ribi is entirely able to be completed with just Ribbon and blue magic (and the amulets), so I feel that's how this category should be defined. On the other hand we already can get Cocoa Bombs, food, or town member buffs in 0%, and eggs are essentially just extra currency. As long as the egg magic isn't collected a couple eggs along the way wouldn't really differ from what's already done. I don't know that I have a cut decision either way for this one. Whatever the game counts as 0% is most likely the easiest option to verify, so I'd prolly put vote there. 3) All Town Members for the "beat Irisu" category, hands down. It's easily tracked, just pull up the member list at the end, and proof done. Requiring Fake Rita/Pandora seems extraneously arbitrary, and leaving an empty portrait slot for Keke Bunny at the end of the final fight equally so. |
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I feel like with the 100%, it'd be best just to stick without the Easter Eggs. It'd be hard to keep up with constantly having to change the ruling every time a new update comes out and changes something, and then we have to have this whole discussion again and again. Plus, if any DLC add anything into this mix, especially on All Bosses, where I believe they have DLC exclusive bosses planned, you can start to get into a gray area where people aren't okay with needing to purchase something extra to run the game. Now, DLC and free updates aren't the same, but some amount of consistency should still apply. As far as Low%, that one's tough. I want to say that Low% is a little more arbitrary, and I want to try and think of the category here as "beat the game with as few resources as possible." When worded like that, it becomes apparently that not you should avoid the Easter Eggs, especially since they apparently give you some actual advantage. Because of that, it doesn't seem to quite be in the right spirit of Low%. Everything else, well, I just started the game, so I don't really know what most of what y'all are talking about is. But hey, I wish y'all luck on that. I'll come back once I've actually finished the game, see y'all in a couple days probably. |
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I like 100% not requiring eggs. |
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I like not requiring eggs in 100% since they're not on the counter, but I don't have much experience in that category, so I'll leave the debate to the people who know it more than me. Low%, it's tough to say, but I think map completion definitely shouldn't be considered since it would limit the possible routes and I think a great part of this game (and this genre in general) is the exploration involved in routing. The eggs I can see both sides of the argument, but I kind of lean towards the no egg rule. I also like ATM. |
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For Low%, I think it would be better to ban eggs. Low% always has been a "get the least possible items" category and I feel it would be more fun and challenging this way. 100%, not quite sure yet. I'm leaning towards not required, so that if more collectibles are added later on then we don't have to change the category and such, but I can understand why people would want to have the eggs be required. I like ATM, but I still feel that All Bosses might be good too. And Post Game could also be good. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ |
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The general consensus seems to prefer banning eggs in 0% and having them optional in 100%. As such, I've updated the categories to reflect this. Not permanent, but it's a good place to start. |
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I added Any% (Post Game) to the leaderboard as a miscellaneous category due to requests from the Japanese community. If it does turn out more popular, we can promote it to a main category, but I thought it would be best to leave it as miscellaneous for now. Welcome, Japanese players ('ω' )و✧ |
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