Seperation of Rollercoaster Tycoon Games (RCT 1, 2, And Classic)
6 years ago
Chicago, IL, USA

Current as is, all three currently ran rollercoaster tycoon games (Roller coaster tycoon, Rollercoaster Tycoon 2, and Rollercoaster Tycoon Classic) are under the same umbrella of Rollercoaster Tycoon 1 when speedruns are noted on this website. I agree with the games being under the same umbrella of Rollercoaster tycoon (as is rollercoaster tycoon 1 and 3 currently) However i do not agree with RCT 2 and Classic being under RCT 1.

RCT 1 and 2 are different games clearly, and it doesnt make sense to have them both be under RCT 1.

RCT classic is a re release of both games put together. rct classic has features that arent available in either of the other games (rides designer which allows you to import custom rides for quicker runs and the ability to speed up time) and even some changed features such as some roller coasters being altered from rct1 expansions. It also has separate runs that cant be completed in the other games, like all scenarios ect. Scenarios are also grouped differently and unlocked differently in RCT Classic.

I am writing this post as i have been brick walled pretty much by the RCT community in regards to this. I currently run all 3 games however i would like to bring a bit more legitimacy to the game. Also, look at how many other games have a seperate leaderboard for remasters, why does RCT Classic (which has many new features) get the same treatment? https://imgur.com/a/pefO1

Edited by the author 6 years ago
Valhalla

"I am writing this post as i have been brick walled pretty much by the RCT community in regards to this."

Unless you deleted forum posts I see nothing to prove that, unless there is a discord or something somewhere.

607 and oddtom like this
Texas, USA

From what you describe, it sounds like the best way to go about handling this type of game on this particular site is more or less how it is already set up over there. If I remember correctly, this series consists of many individual scenarios that don't really interact or connect with each other at all. The more popular games approach this kind of game by having submissions for each individual level, then categorize it by which version it is from. In some games, "version" refers to the console or which patch update or something similar, but in your case, these "versions" would be the "original" without updated features and the "classic" with the newer features.

As KK mentioned, there's not much we can do here to help you out with communities elsewhere. However, if you are being brickwalled on this site, bring it up to one of the supermods. They are generally fairly responsive and you seem to understand the nuances and have a passion for these games; there's no reason I can see that you wouldn't be allowed to be a mod for games in this series. If you would like this game to have a better reputation, I think that adopting the game here is a good place to start.

Edited by the author 6 years ago
United States

I see a forum post he sent in which no moderators responded and the response he gets makes barely any sense in the context of the post and doesnt even attempt to resolve anything. Brickwalled might be slightly overkill, but assuming that isnt the only medium of communication it definitely doesnt seem like there is any useful discussion here. The supermoderator (not sure what this term exactly means but i assume it is the moderator of the series?) of the roller coaster tycoon series has never even submitted a run and to rct and hasnt submitted runs at all for a game in a year, or been online recently so i doubt they really can help in this situation.

While rct 1 and 2 might be similar, there are some nuances that can affect the ruleset so I definitely see a point in separating out the games. RCT classic especially has completely different mechanics that shape the speedrun differently, and categories such as all scenarios in that game wouldn’t work are different enough to definitely warrant a separate leaderboard.

It’s like saying that crash bandicoot n-sane trilogy should be under the crash bandicoot 1 leaderboard since they both include crash 1 any% and 100%. Remasters ln this site are consistently differentiated. Yes, you can speedrun rct 1 scenarios on rct classic, but there are also categories on rct classic that are impossible to do on rct 1.

If you really think it should be run on one leaderboards, there are definitely issues of anyone putting in effort to making it clear. You can’t find rct 2 or classic by searching the site, the series is mispelled (it shouldn’t have a space), no rulesets have been created for any of the categories (and for individual scenarios they only list the actual goal of the scenario, nothing related to timing the run), and a lot of levels themselves are missing from the leaderboards. I may be an outsider, but it’s obviously confusing and incomplete by taking a look at it.

Valhalla

Uh yeah, but that forum post mentioned nothing that this OP is talking about. Additionally, it could take longer than 3 days to get a response :0

HowDenKing likes this
United States

Is a post asking to create a separate ruleset for classic vs rct1 not tangentially related to separating the leaderboards?

Valhalla

Not...necessarily...lol. And the second half of my post still applies. If you want to expedite that process, he should contact some of the game mods directly anyways.