A general RNG tool for PC RE3
3 years ago
United States

I'm sure everyone here is familiar with the GL tool. After watching runners reset or lose runs over and over on other RNG parts of the game, I began to wonder if it would be possible to make something like GL tool for those segments. So, that's exactly what I did. I made a demo video showing what the tool can do: . You can see I'm playing the English version of the game in the video, but it has preliminary support for other versions of the game, including the Taiwan version.

I recorded that video around 6 months ago. I've been sitting on this project since then not sure what to do with it. I understand that GL tool was controversial when it was released, and this takes that concept to the extreme. I asked in a Twitch chat if the speedrun community for this game would be open to a tool like this and the results were mixed. Some people thought it would be nice to see fewer resets, but others (including the runner) said they would not want such a tool in runs.

As you might expect from the author, I'm not opposed to seeing this used in runs. The tool doesn't allow you to make anything happen in the game that couldn't already happen naturally. I see it as just eliminating a bunch of runs that never would have been submitted anyway because you reset on Aqua Cure or a 6-change music box or something else you had no control over. I understand a lot of people won't agree with that, however. Personally, I would like to release this regardless of whether it gets used in speedruns. I think it could be a fun thing to mess around with in a casual playthrough, or maybe it could be used in practice even if it's banned in submitted runs.

The potential issue if the community does decide that this isn't allowed in runs is that I don't think it would actually be possible to tell if someone was using it or not. I don't know how you would tell the difference between someone getting legitimately good RNG and someone locking the RNG outcomes ahead of time with this tool. What I want to avoid is a scenario where I release this tool, the community bans it in runs, but since no one can tell the difference it gets used in runs anyway, and now no one is sure which runs are legit and which aren't.

With all that in mind, I thought I'd post the video here and ask for people's feedback. Would you allow this in runs? If not, do you think it would be directly harmful to RE3 speedrunning if this was available? I'm not a speedrunner myself and I don't really participate in the community, so I'm interested to hear people's thoughts.

MattGael likes this
Oregon, USA

It'd be a terrible idea to release this to the public. It would populate the leader boards pretty quick. Its been shown time and time again in many speedruns that people will do whatever to get into the top positions. Having well over 10,000 attempts myself I see this being nothing but trouble. Just my opinion.

United Kingdom

I think this is a cool tool to have outside of actual runs. But it should be banned for sure.

madmilldro likes this
Pakistan

This tool is pretty cool, u can manipulate RNG with it, it would become very easy to cheat so I think this shouldn't be released to the public.

Argentina

RNG is one of the things that make this game interesting and fun to watch. That's only one of the reason that I say no to allow this in speedruns.

Rei_Leo and SPARKUnity like this
Tenerife, Canary Islands

Hello my friend.

We already talked about this and the only exception was the GL tool, every other RNG has nothing to do, so this will never be allowed.

If I were you I wouldn't release it to the public, but we don't have control about what people do outside of SRC. The thing is, we all know cheating in this game is easy if someone with basic programing knowledge wants to, and nobody would notice, you don't need to be Einstein to create these tools, anyone with basic knowledge can do it, so yeah the possibility of someone already cheating or someone cheating in the past is there.

We can't tell if someone got a legit safsprin or a manipulated one, so there's nothing to do here, we just gotta trust people because these kind of cheats are impossible to detect, as the runner could trigger the good rng anytime and nobody would notice (maybe after 10 resets for example)

So before this thread begins to create a lot of drama for no reason, it would be a good idea to lock it as soon as possible.

Only GL tool is allowed and it will always be like that, we already voted for this, nothing else to say and no need to create unnecesary drama.

Mudkicker likes this
United States

I didn't realize it had already been decided that nothing past GL tool would be allowed; that pretty clearly excludes this. Either way, it seems unanimous that this is not something people want in speedruns. Since only the Japanese and Taiwanese PC versions are on the leaderboards, maybe what I'll do is release something that only supports the English versions of the game. That way people could still use it for fun but it wouldn't be available for speedruns. It would save me some work anyway.

I appreciate everyone's feedback.

se3cret, SPARKUnity, and PyramidK like this
Tenerife, Canary Islands

Thank you for time sir, have a nice day!