There is something huge missing from this website. Playstation network and Xbox Live both record data of total time it takes to complete all trophies or achievements. This data could be auto updated into this website like the psnprofiles website does it. This would not only showcase the 100% trophy/achievement fastest completion (speedrun) world records and leaderboards but also make this the first website to compare historic records from both major consoles. It would involve records on this website without game video proof but trophy data records from psnprofiles website are as much proof as the playstation network itself. Sometimes trophy hackers come along but they are moderated and deleted from records with enough member complaints. I feel this is needed as many people like me view most speedruns in general as a pointless way to rush through games achieving nothing while encouraging cheating involving skipping through areas of the game. Trophy speedruns will encourage a clever way to complete the game the fastest while achieving a number of tasks that the game developers created for it. It general it's the way the game was meant to be played. I've seen the only 100% category of games here and all I see is single playthoughs that never involve the playstation trophy list related 100% tasks.
Im not quite sure if this is a question or a suggestion or something else.
This should be something that is a game by game basis and not site wide. If you have a game that you wish to see this for, then ask the moderators to create a category for 100% trophy completion or whatever you want to call it. It would most likely be a Misc. category since it'll be segmented, but again, that can be decided game by game by the moderators. Then people can submit screenshots of their PSN or XBox Live screen as proof of their time when submitting it. (but please dont request categories like this unless you plan on actually doing it or have people who want to do it).
As a side note, the reason you don't see trophy completion runs often is that those kind of runs usually take much longer than someone wants to do in a single segment. And for the most part segmented runs can be hard to prove unless you have proof of every segment. The time displayed in PSN/XBL might alleviate the latter issue, but that's really up to a game's mods. Just be warned that some games may not have mods open to this because of the segmented nature of it.
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[QUOTE]I feel this is needed as many people like me view most speedruns in general as a pointless way to rush through games achieving nothing while encouraging cheating involving skipping through areas of the game[/QUOTE] I feel like anyone, including yourself, who truly thinks this about speedrunning doesn't actually understand what speedrunning is. If you really view speedrunning that way, then you have a very sad vision of this hobby as it is much more than what you've boiled it down to here. (And calling it "cheating" is a good way to make enemies and irritate people because it really shows you have no idea what you're actually talking about.)
So when I look around on this website, all I see is a handful of speedrun records for every game. For example, 5 people submit a speedrun attempt and out of the 5 people, one of them has the so called world record but most people don't record their game play and I'm pretty sure the records on this website are only 0.0000001% of the total records out there for all consoles and PC gaming. If people on here want to truly feel that they achieved a world record speedrun time then this website should drastically change to add the time stamp data from all consoles and PC games. Until then, psnprofiles website is the closest thing to that even though it is only playstation network time stamp data related to speedrun times. I understand a website like this speedrun website has to develop and grow like any other website but the current data is very limited and should not be viewed as the best speedrun times until PC gaming and console gaming in general is more focused in speedrun time stamps. And when PC gaming is more regulated to rule out hackers, cheaters, and game adjusters. And when consoles accurately save game playthrough time stamps not involving load time or any other time while not playing on the game. And when this speedrun website adds the data of the 99.99999% of gamers out there instead of just the few gamers for each game adding videos on here.
Just stop, you have zero idea what you're talking about. I wanted to avoid saying that but it's clear now you really don't.
This website has moderators that verify runs for every game on here. If they find a run that is cheated in some way with illegal hardware modifications or something like that, then the run is removed. There is no cheating that gets by on here unless there are lazy moderators, but for the most part, each game has dedicated mods for it. Also on that train of thought, a lot of games require video for a minimum top 10 times so your point about people not recording their runs is just plain wrong.
There are hundreds of games on here run on PC so again, I'm not sure why you're trying to say it needs to grow. People add games on here all the time and the site is constantly increasing the number of games and runners it has. And most consoles load the same across all models (except for newer systems, but each game handles that accordingly). So there is no need to eliminate load times since they are uniform (or only differ by extremely small amounts) for every run. PC gaming is different and most remove load times via an autosplitter so that it's not "pay to win" with whoever has the fastest PC.
As a final point, I'm sure there are no users on this site who are as worked up over the title of a world record like you're painting them to be. Most runners don't care about WR and enjoy the feeling of competition and improvement as well as seeing the game pushed to it's limits. WR is a meaningless title and most runners will say that, nobody is claiming that every time recorded on here is the fastest time ever ever done for a game, it's just the fastest time ever posted here.
So again, you clearly have no idea about what speedrunning is, what this site is, or how speedrunning is handled. I'd recommend stopping here or learning more about this hobby before you try to paint it in a false/negative light and start thinking of ways to "improve" it.
"while encouraging cheating involving skipping through areas of the game. " Nice meme
"And when this speedrun website adds the data of the 99.99999% of gamers out there instead of just the few gamers for each game adding videos on here." So you want a psnprofile website ? Fine, then go to psnprofile ...
Also I mostly agree with what Timmiluvs said : You have no clue what speedrunning is.
I'm sorry but the whole speedrunning idea is only impressive if you are performing the game from beginning to end while playing the game the way it was meant to be played without skipping chapters while accomplishing all the developer created tasks (like the trophy lists within the playstation universe). PC gamers can cut out load times and even fly in the air to the end of chapters like Crysis 1 without accomplishing ANY tasks all they want but it will not be something to be proud of and certainly will not justify a WR (world record) to be slapped on it's title for anything, not even an any% tag. I think it's great if speedrunners try to get donations for charities but I frown upon any clipping or skipping without playing the game right. If you want this website to only be about that then keep doing what you're doing. Meanwhile,
"I'm sorry but the whole speedrunning idea is only impressive if you are performing the game from beginning to end while playing the game the way it was meant to be played without skipping chapters while accomplishing all the developer created tasks (like the trophy lists within the playstation universe). "
Maybe for you, but everyone else on this site thinks differently. (Also since when did even casual players bother getting all trophies in most games, some of them are totally whack)
Also your account name is very amusing given the context of your discussion.
Meanwhile, PC gaming will diminish in popularity when people finally come to their senses and realize there is no sense of accomplishment in a no trophy record world where hacking, over control of game settings, and how different the "accomplishments" are from the harder and way more extensive achievements that are within the playstation and xbox world. The more this website doesn't make an even playing field for console gamers and be completely dependent upon users submitting game videos, the more it will NEVER grow. Twitch and Youtube will dominate and people will flock to the console upgrades and most won't even consider or desire to be a PC gamer or be a pointless speedrunner for a little known website. This is all true and I do know more about speedrunning than all of you combined because I see the big picture and you do not.
"Maybe for you, but everyone else on this site thinks differently. (Also since when did even casual players bother getting all trophies in most games, some of them are totally whack) "
MLSTRM, There's so many trophy hunters out there, it's ridiculous. They all try to get trophies of course. There is such a low amount of people using this website compared to speedrunners on Twitch and Youtube. I could find more examples of speedruns on them than here. This is a wake up call you all. Something needs to change here to make it much different in order for it to truly grow. Whether my opinions are true or not. Something should change. If this website is mainly a place to go to view speedrun records, then it should include game data records with time stamps from all consoles and PC gaming (even if it's just Steam records from PC). Not just selective game videos submitted by only 0.00000000001 % of the total gaming community.
I agree, a speedrun website that has speedruns but doesn't have non-speedrun trophy data is a ridiculous concept. I propose that from this day forward, all speedruns (filthy cheats) are banned, and only let's plays should be allowed.
"MLSTRM, There's so many trophy hunters out there, it's ridiculous. They all try to get trophies of course. There is such a low amount of people using this website compared to speedrunners on Twitch and Youtube. I could find more examples of speedruns on them than here. This is a wake up call you all. Something needs to change here to make it much different in order for it to truly grow. Whether my opinions are true or not. Something should change. "
The thing is, speedrunning is all about how you approach a game, not the content you get through. If you're playing a game with the goal to finish as fast as you can, regardless of what you do in the game, then it's a speedrun. If you want to count completion playthoughs and trophy hunting as speedrunning then I'm going to have to disagree since people don't try and do that necessarily as fast as possible. Also if you want to try and call me out on it, I'm one of the few people to have done an all trophy run in a game (Final Fantasy 13, takes like 19h to do), so I do know what I'm talking about here.
"Portal 2 Steam Leaderboards for the Challenge Mode" Portal 2 Steam Leaderboards is full of cheaters time : for example there are least portals leaderboards with negative portals and times that are impossible. If you want a real leaderboard for portal 2 ILs, check out board.iverb.me
"I feel this is needed as many people like me view most speedruns in general as a pointless way to rush through games achieving nothing while encouraging cheating involving skipping through areas of the game. "
Probability of trolling, high, but if serious -- speedruns aren't for you. And that's fine. Enjoy what you enjoy.
"This is all true and I do know more about speedrunning than all of you combined because I see the big picture and you do not."
Trolling confirmed.