glitchwalking through garden of sorrow gate shouldnt be a glitch in glitchless
2 years ago
Orlando, FL, USA

Today my friends run was denied because of glitch walking through garden of sorrow gate which is legal because A lot of other people do it for example mistake did it on his world record solo glitchless run at 8:43, josiah did it at 8:59 on his second place glitchless solo, and willaf did it at 10:31 on his third place glitchless solo run and although those are all solos there are other runs such as josiahs world record solo where they did it at 7:49 and when telling a mod this they said it was because a different mod verified it but that is unfair because all runs should put up to the same standards not because they are lucky enough to get a good verifier and if verifiers dont agree with that statement your not good at your job.

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:hand-shake:

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El Salvador

cry about it (based)

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Finland

it should be ok. (double shot & glitchwalking are acceptable) and its indeed used most glitchless runs. Instead there are few runs that should not be ok like: duo crescendo omega 1st place, hit enemy before touching end pad at 8:00. I am ok with that, but rules are rules.

Also few questions: we know this game changes often, and everyone hates unbeatable runs, so i was wondering in near future screenmode watchclipping will be fixed whenever they do performance update, then what? i personaly dont care but upcoming speedrunners will be pissed.

About rampglitch/gravity bug, iam also worried if it gets fixed, devs dont care about it its reported many times. It might actually stay, like glitching weapons ingame, they dont care.

Also wanna say: Good think is we have few smart mods here, who dont allow gamebreaking, because walktele bug was allready fixed, because can no longer teleport down in walkmode in selfscale.

Thats it and goodluck everyone lowering times to limit after teleport fix!

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Bruh the run got verified what the hell are we talking about right now?

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Finland

good=) just asking, i dont have discord to chat so asking questions here.

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United States

I initially verified it before going through the solo. It does seem to be glitching through a barrier, but I couldn’t be sure so I put it back on the waiting list and contacted a multitude of other mods. Some think it was okay, others don’t. Ronin verified the solo that had the glitchwalk oob thing as well, not sure if that was missed or not, I’ll leave it up to him or some of the super mods to decide.

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Utah, USA

One of the bigger issues with this as well is if they deemed it illegal in glitchless then there would be no competition for any of the glitchless category’s. While if they keep it then there still is competition

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Tennessee, USA

doesn't glitchwalking have the word glitch in it meaning its a glitch isn't the run glitchless meaning without glitches

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Utah, USA

For some reason glitchwalking is allowed in glitchless

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Spain

Was it intended to be a thing when devs were making the game?

Yes: It's not a glitch No: It's a glitch

Even if it wasn't intended, there are some special cases where they allowed it such as double shooting, they know how to fix it but they left it in, meaning it can now be considered not a glitch. But the only way to fix glitch walking would be to not allow the head to move if the player isn't inputting a move button on the controller (such as a trigger or joystick). So technically yes, they could fix it, but not making the head stationary at all times would take the reality aspect out of VR so it's not worth it. It's not intended, and they can fix it but haven't because it would ruin the game more than the glitch, so I would consider it a glitch.

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Texas, USA

Here's the definition of Out of Bounds (OoB): Being outside/traveling through the walls of a map, or the inside a prop/object. The reason the skip was originally considered legal in the glitchless category is because there is no visible texture on the part of the gate people typically glitchwalk through. It was later deemed OoB because of how the screen is confined, even if it's done through the top corners. Due to this discovery, all runs with this skip in the glitchless category have been taken down. Sorry for all the confusion

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United States

Chicken wings

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Okay so I'm like 90% sure that this issue has been cleared up so I'll voice my opinion publicly and say that I believe that the new OoB rules are a lot better than the old ones and should be the rules we follow from here on out. BUT all the glitchless runs that were moved to any% or taken down were posted before those new rules were implemented. Josiah, Tahat, Luck100, Willaf, Jimmaaayyy, Galaxis, Nano, or me should not be punished by rules that didn't exist when we posted them. Btw the excuse of "It's gonna make new records impossible" doesn't work because Josiah had a gltiched boss yet I still beat his record by 20 seconds. Feel free to change my mind, I'm open to new ideas.

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United States

This is what happened: when we switched from the S+/S/Any% to the Glitchless/Any%, all of the S+ runs were moved to glitchless without second question of whether or not they actually used glitchless, we only caught this in PJottos’ run for 6:18 which got A rank but was put in glitchless, despite the act 3 and act 7 glitchless. It just took us an extra few months to figure out what was going on with the crescendo glitchless runs. Initially it may have seemed like we verified Jossiah’s run as any% including the glitch, but in reality it just wasn’t double checked when we switched to the new system. Hope this helps to clarify some things.

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You realize josiah uploaded that run after the switch. If it were an S+ run it would have had dog skip in it

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