Glitchless Rules
7 years ago
Washington, USA

I've got a few questions about the glitchless rules that seem a bit funky to me.

First off, why are damage boosts not allowed? What part of those is a glitch, or unintended? Second, is the sidehop onto the side of the mountain to skip the ice to Snowhead allowed?

Next, is the Backflip S&Q at Ikana allowed? I'd argue that it only uses intended mechanics, in a similar fashion to a Goron boost to GB early.

Also, why would a gainer be allowed when long jumps aren't, they both seem to be abuse of intended game mechanics. Are we just allowing tech based on how much it skips?

I don't know, it just seems really strange the specifics of what is and isn't allowed. I'd also expect glitchless to be a much more fun run if glitchless skips like GB early were allowed.

New York, USA

Long jumps are extremely busted in MM 3D allowing you to immediately enter interior Pirates foretress . It Creates huge skips in the temples. Heck it even allows for you to get to great bay early. Save and quit is not allowed in MM 3D glitchless because it isn't allowed in the original. The gainer is mainly allowed because no one wants to play 1st cycle over and over again and doesn't break much else beside that. I do agree that side hop into mountain village and damage enemy boost with Goron should be allowed.

Washington, USA

I know that long jumps are busted, but does that make them a glitch? It just seems like something the devs didn't consider, but isn't a mistake in the programming or geometry. And OoT3D allowed S&Q because it's actually incorporated into the game now (not a save and console reset), so I don't see why MM3D can't do the same, although I can see a home reset as not being as legit as an in game save and quit.

Also that's not a great argument for gainers, since you can do a deku backflip which is much more legit. That would also stop doing a gainer to get into Ikana Castle early.

Edited by the author 7 years ago
New York, USA

If you watch iwabis glitchless run he does a gainer with zora to get into ikana castle skipping 2 cutscences regardless you still need the mirror shield to complete ikana castle because it is needed to defeat igos du ikana.Yes you could ledge clip to skip needing powder Keg but ledge clip is considered out of bounds which is banned in glitchless. With long jumps you are essentially playing NWW without extended hookshot which is also busted. And like I said earlier MM doesn't use S+Q in glitchless. Most rules from MM glitchless still apply with several tweaks.

Washington, USA

That's my fault for not being clear. I meant to say that in my mind it would make more sense to commit to banning both long jumps and gainers, and just doing a backflip to skip moon tear.

New York, USA

Yeah you could do that as well if you're not comfortable with gainers. Anything else that seems vague in the rules etc I will be happy to clear up. Happy speedrunning :)

Canada

Savewarps were recently allowed in MM anyway, might as well allow them here although I don't think they alter anything.

Washington, USA

Would they allow ikana early then?

Ontario, Canada

The reason we banned those stuff is because the whole point of glitchless is to avoid sequence breaks while showing off fast movement. If we allowed those things then you would be doing stuff like getting Zora mask before epona or beating Snowhead before Woodfall. So no we wouldn't allow early Ikana cause the whole point of these bans is to prevent heavy sequence breaks like early Ikana.

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