This game is a game that makes heavy use of bugs and shortcuts. If you don't like that kind of thing, there is a lot of people in demand for categories that don't use shortcuts.
I like this idea, and have discussed it with Cosmic before. I wouldn't mind a no major glitches category so no V skip.
Where is that a lot of people's demand if I may ask ?
There is not really a lot of glitches in this game. Some of the skips like Mission 12 Dante is development intended.
The game will be dull and long to do without skips. On the top of that, I don't think requesting or asking categories at this time is a good idea either considering that Special Edition is getting released next month.
I mean, decent question since the last time we had this discussion was before the V skips were found. I will say it's really weird to me that no one wanted to play V at the start of this game's runs being developed, and now no one wants to do skips with him. The boy cannot get a win lol. But that's besides the point, I suppose. So here's my thoughts on the matter:
With DMC5 Special Edition + a likely patch to PC (probably coming with the Vergil DLC) on the horizon, I think it's best that we wait to see what changes in the game before we make new categories. Simply because we really don't know what the game will look like after these changes. For all we know, M3 (University) skip and the V skips will be gone. If this is the case, we can organize categories by patch. There's also the possibility that many runners will end up migrating to DMC5SE over this release when it drops.
I honestly think the more pressing matter here at present is console runs, because they play on unpatched disc copies in order to do the Dante skips, causing a lot of the run to be OoB. Their orb route also changes entirely because of these skips, and they're not subject to 5SE nor patches because they're playing unpatched. Constantly having to keep the game unpatched is also kind of tedious from what I've gathered, so it'd be nice for them to not have to do that. Not playing on current patch also means it would be tedious for them to do Vergil runs, whenever he becomes available for this release of the game.
There's also the matter of what we'd classify as a "Major Skip" or "Major Glitch", and personally I think the only skips that can be argued as "Major" are:
-M3 -M4 (NG+ only) -M5 -M7 -M9 (the one where you skewer over the pit but honestly this garbage is RNG dependent on nightmare and no one except yamanaru does it) -M11 (console only) -M12 (console only) -M13 (console only) -M16 (console only)
So at most on PC this would only change M3, M5, and M7. This list here makes it pretty clear that much of the discussion should revolve around console first, should we have to come to this crossroads.
I also don't think "a lot of demand" is a good indicator of whether or not this will bring in new runners or even be active amongst current ones. Because well, people demanded HoH and DMD, I added those, and then people ran them once or twice. Yamanaru is still the only one to have even done DMD runs up to this point.
Anyways, that's where I'm at with this discussion.
5se won't prolly change anything, despite the ideas behind m3 skip and other memes could be rip. with (5) or without (5DM) skips, this game's barely alive and i question the chances the board will get more runners if v skips would be removed from the main run.
Considering 5SE is adding Turbo + LDK mode, and Itsuno + Matt Walker already said in my IGN video that they'd want to fix m3 skip, I'm sure some things will change. Along with us likely allowing DLC in the run because 5SE will come with all DLC from the Deluxe Edition. The only question really is whether or not V and Shadow are gonna take trips out of bounds anymore.
Negativity also isn't welcome btw, especially from people that jumped ship on this game a year ago.
Certainly, the time is right, so it may be better to see the situation first. Even when many shortcuts were discovered, few people were actively applying them to play, so I wonder if it is preferable not to use shortcuts at all rather than using bugs etc. So I set up a forum. It will be helpful. Thank you very much. There is tension in future updates and the flow of SE.
@yamanaru Some skips just aren't viable at the moment, and only on higher difficulties. Off the top of my head:
M9 -This is inconsistent because nightmare's spawn is RNG. Hence no one goes for it, myself included. M11 -This one is just really hard because you have to be touching the ceiling of that area basically at all times. No one has gone for it because of this, but it does save like 20s-25s or something M18 -Only worth on higher difficulties, and probably only in Faustless.
In other words, it is more efficient to use it for some difficulty and category. If so, I expect more people to challenge until they succeed for speed.
