Is there proof that there is different load time? I timed it myself and I seem to get no difference in load times.

I honestly didn't notice any either when I tested it myself.

If there is one then it's either a small difference, or I'm missing something. :P

If I can figure this out there is no need to split the versions

Some solid evidence in support of either one would be great.

I'm all for keeping the versions split if running on emulator does indeed create a significant enough advantage, but if the difference is negligible or only by a few seconds then I don't see the point. Especially since this game has so few active runners to begin with.

I agree I would just like some proof just so I can know the difference as well, it just happened one day and I didn't know lol

Any one know? I would really like to see proof of the claims just so I can know for myself. Other wise there is no reason for splitting them

Wanting to speedrun this game for some weeks now and noticed the emulators were splitted. For what I know the most GBC emulators are very accurate (some exceptions but those emus are banned). I see no need to seperate the boards either ^^"

Yeah Seydie that's what I had always assumed too, because I play a LOT of GBC games both on console and with VBA and they've never had a noticeable difference from each other. Every game is different though I suppose.

I can't prove it on my own unfortunately since I don't have a way to record on console, otherwise I'd investigate a lot further... But I stand by not noticing a difference on VBA at least. If any console runners would be willing to lend a hand that'd be awesome.

I actually can test it but wont be able to record it on console, I timed it between the runs on highlighted PB's and found that console load times were actually slight faster.

When I get a chance I will test on my console but then you will have to take my word for it so I dont know if that is credible.

At least it'd be the word of two different people? That's a little better...

How long has this split been in effect anyway? Which of the community moderators made the decision, and would they be willing to come and weigh in? That'd help a lot.

It just happened a couple weeks ago, I had no idea and there was a new mod added I didnt know about either. Which is fine but I have no idea who changed it and for what solid reason. A lot of gameboy emulators for games are not separated, example kirby's dreamland.

taking into account that the Japanese version saves a lot more time from the English version I compared my English run on emu with a console run. I messed up a couple times which cost a couple seconds but from what I have tested there is no difference what so ever my english bijou split on emu was 6:56 and my time on console was 7:03. I opened the ham chat menu on accident and my directional pad messed up (old gameboy advance) So from what I have tested there is no difference unless others get different results. And with enough people wanting it to be changed back I can change it back.

In that case, I'm in favor of the merge. :)

Okay, I think either tonight or tomorrow I'll see about performing some short test segments on emulator, and streaming it so I have witnesses. Having data and times from multiple different runs from each version to compare and figure out average times would be more beneficial, but doing multiple full any% runs all at once seems cumbersome... Testing with a short segment would be easier, and if there is noticeable time difference by a few seconds it'll be easy to figure out how much it'll add up overall.

I'll try on console too of course, but with no way to really prove segment times you guys will just have to take my word for it.

Let's also see about contacting a few other runners and asking if they'd be willing to contribute to this thread. Because obviously getting data from multiple people and scenarios would be most ideal.

It's a well-known fact that VBA doesn't emulate GBC properly, so if you did re-merge console and emulator, you'd need to have proof that you're running on the proper emulator (see Pokemon Red/Blue). This would disqualify literally every emulator run that's on the leaderboard right now. If they're going to be combined, that's the only fair way to do it that I can see.

Hello! I'm the mod that split the categories. I messaged totalled to become a mod, and when I did, I showed him a list of the ideas I had for the community. One of which was splitting emulator and console. He agreed outright, and told me there was no completely accurate GBC emulator. Here is a screenshot of exactly what he said to me.

I wasn't aware there was a discord for the community or that the community was even active, because he was the only mod I could get ahold of, and I had 3 pending runs that hadn't been looked at in weeks, and when I became a mod I saw a run that was even older than mine that hadn't been verified either. So, because of the feedback I got from a moderator and my own personal judgement, I made the change. I was only added to the discord later on, after I made the change. No one in that community cares about HHHU anyway, it's essentially an HHHH community.

I urge you to compare my console WR run to the Emu WR run. The Emu WR is actual shit. He makes word mistakes everywhere, and even says the wrong word to Jingle, TWICE. It is NOT a minute faster than my time. He makes a million more mistakes. If you want to say I'm biased, fine. The second place japanese console run is better than his, too.

It has been brought to my attention that there may possibly be an emulator that runs GBC accurately, or "close to accurately" (which is not good enough for me imo), however, that is NOT ALL EMULATORS. If you guys are THAT insistent about merging the two categories, then we would have to make a rule that only allows a certain emulator, and the video must require the player to have the emulator in frame the entire run.

Because that rule would need to be added, we'd have to delete every single current emulator run (none of them show the emulator frame). And that's NOT what I wanted. There are a crap ton of emulator runs, and I'd hate to just delete them off the face of the earth. Who cares if they're in separate categories. Just beat the emulator WR (it won't be hard to do), and you can say you have the emulator WR. Just leave them in separate categories. It's not gonna kill anyone.

Truthfully I think all emulator runs should be using the same emulator regardless, so if we could settle on one then that'd be great. If that requires a time wipe then I'd be fine with it.

That pretty much answers my concerns though, so thank you so much!

Oops should probably mention I'm in favor of them staying split now given the circumstances. I'm still going to do my own testing to figure out how much of a time difference there is.

Wiping the Emu's and allowing a specific emulator from what we know is accurate is a solution. Also keeping them seperated, or hiding them is a possibility too.

But even if you keep it seperated, a rule of showing the window frame counts for Emu is nice.

Edit: I will also whatever decision is made, applying it to Hamtaro Ham Ham games.

I agree with the split now, never said I disagreed just wanted some kind of confirmation. You were also a little harsh saying my run was shit, very un-professional that was not needed, pointing things out is different than degrading someone who has run a game longer than most here. Again I just wanted proof and was not attacking anyone for the split so please next time for the sake of the community to look good don't use words to degrade a person who is proud of something they have done. Thanks.