8-1 Sockfolder-like FPG setup (NOT the TAS framerule)
4 years ago
United States

I'm going to preface this by saying that I don't think that this will be useful to anybody. That being said, I'm sharing this with everybody anyways in the off chance that I'm wrong. (Apologies if this setup is already common knowledge, somehow.)

The backstory: Several months ago, I went searching for an 8-1 FPG setup that runners could potentially use to recover from bad judges (and/or a bad/missed star block hit). I found this setup fairly quickly, but I wasn't particularly satisfied with the RTA viability of it, so I decided not to post it here and instead try to find a better setup. Fast-forward to now, and since then I never found the motivation to try to look for a better setup, so I decided I'd share this one after all.

Anyways, here's the setup: Do a 3-4 frame right-release anywhere in the air, then do "EC0" inputs on the stairs (i.e., land on the first pixel of the correct step, but walk for an extra frame before doing D70 inputs). A 3-frame right-release will give you D50 subpixels, while a 4-frame release will give you D70. You could, rather than doing a single 4-frame release, instead do two separate 2-frame releases if that's easier for you.

Obligatory video, even though there's really nothing interesting in it until about 40 seconds in: (The video is TASed, FYI. I have also been able to do this in RTA from a savestate, but the video of it would have looked basically the same as this anyways.)

D50 is also possible with the 4-frame release, by doing something similar to how you get D50 in 1-1, except once again you initially have to walk for an extra frame after landing on the step.

...You know what, I'll just post the entire table I made here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19J1TcNyKjKQ9tALzkhpyvDoj83wagoS5wzfZNiz-zrA/edit?usp=sharing (Disclaimer: Some values may be incorrect. I hope not, though)

Pros:

  • Doesn't depend on judges
  • Setup can be performed at any time up until the end of the level (you don't have to commit to it before you know whether you've canceled the judges)
  • No left press required (except for the actual FPG itself)

Cons:

  • NOT the TAS framerule (I hope I've made this clear by now)
  • Harder than 8-3 FPG (do that instead of this if you need to make up a framerule)
  • Harder than getting good at hitting the first pixel of the star block (always go for that before doing this)
  • Less consistent than trying your luck with the judges, unless you're a robot like somewes (i.e., it's probably better to grab the top of the pole anyways even if the beetle indicates that you may have bad judges)
  • No easy way to land on the first pixel of the step -- in particular, there's nowhere you can do a full jump from to land perfectly on that pixel
  • Practicing EC0 inputs excessively may mess up your D70 muscle memory. Proceed with caution.

One last remark: I've also (very briefly) toyed around with releasing right on the ground instead of the air, in the hopes of finding a setup that lets you FPG by doing actual D70 inputs (instead of EC0 inputs). It turns out that it is indeed possible, by releasing right on the ground for 4 or 5 frames. The subpixels you get from right-releasing on the ground are wildly inconsistent, though (it depends on exactly where you do it), so I don't know if that's worth looking into any further.

Lul_ecks_dee, natgoesfast and 4 others like this
New Hampshire, USA

Speedrunners have already found a way to save another framerule in 8-1 (besides judges). They do a backwards accel (which saves 2 frames), and the FPG (which saves the other 19). So runners won't likely use that FPG unless they aren't consistent enough to get good judges.

Th3Re4l likes this

Not so useful for this game but you can use it to get the good judges framerule in All Night Nippon

Th3Re4l likes this
Illinois, USA

could be helpful

youtubeman06 likes this
New Hampshire, USA

Holy crap I thought you were darbian. :P

Thelxinoe, youtubeman06 and 3 others like this
Illinois, USA

yeah i kind of expected that people would mistake me for the darbian god.

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