POLL: New category for post KYFC warp any%
7 years ago
Germany

Comparing Any% no Warp to 7 Assets is something I do not agree with. Any% skips pretty much all "normal" gameplay. What is left? You do The Party and KYFC and loads of setup. 5 times as much setup as missions? In old Any%, you get 10-15 times more missions than setup. >50 times more.

Edited by the author 7 years ago
Andra, Brightlord and 4 others like this

I think tagging runs with which era's strats were used makes the most sense, if something is done with the leaderboards. I doubt anyone is going to seriously run obsolete categories, but solely from the perspective of being able to look at the leaderboards and see the progression of the run over time, I think it would be neat.

Adam_ak, Brightlord and 2 others like this
United States

A simple way to handle "preservation" would be to implement a "Past Records" feature like what they have over on the Goldeneye/Perfect Dark leaderboards, http://rankings.the-elite.net/goldeneye/past .

Lanayru likes this
Friesland, Netherlands

Seperate categories are not needed to view run progression, and only make it worse since it separates all the information. http://gta.karlkask.com/ documents run progression very well.

I like Kyle's idea, but implementing it would go to the SRR staff, not to the GTA ldbs mods.

Lithuania

B. This is meme I dont like this meme at all but but but... no matter how I slice it in my mind this is just another trick we use to beat the game faster. Essentially dupes and instapasses are the same thing: tricks to beat game faster by skipping stuff u are just not skipping AS much stuff with instapasses and dupes. Its just saad to see almost perfect mh's run disappear into oblivion for outsiders like random person coming to check how this game looks like in speedrun environment opens up the leaderboard turns on the 1st place and it is not a show of sick skills but some random run full of misstakes at least for now until someone grinds down this route to 12mins. Still those 12mins never will be as impresive as 53mins of mh's run. You get the point.

United States

B.

Any% is Any% argument.

100% is the true GTA category anyway.

Adam_ak, Chivu, and S. like this
Drenthe, Netherlands

You could just make a strawpoll for "Would you run any% no warps, or 7 assets, or neither?"

No, I don't see the point in that, if a group of people legit want to run old any%/7 assets whatever, just run it, if there is a lot of interest, there should be a category. 7 assets has been a category before, http://www.speedrun.com/gtavc/thread/omcag it was a test to see if people ran it, no one ran it and kept doing any% so it was removed.

S. likes this
Indonesia

Casual viewer here, so my opinion probably don't really matter. But tbh I don't see why everyone here is so against making a new category for the old any%, even if the old any% isn't being so active.

The new any% seems to have a really different gameplay style compared to the old any% (whether with dupes or not), which seems already a good enough reason to make a 'no wrong warp' category.

Newcomers might not be aware of the old any% if they only came here right now. And they might not be interested in trying out VC as a speedgame because the newer strats aren't appealing for them, while not being aware of the old any% which would've been interesting for them. (or not bothering with doing lots of googling just to find out how the older strats look like)

IIRC, MH's WR is like about 2 months ago and Anti-Streaks just made the 2nd place about a month ago. And looking at the leaderboards, there seems to be a bunch of runs with "1 month ago" time. So the old any% doesn't seem like a 'dead category' at all. (unless if you only compare it with the most active/popular speedgames out there, while there's lots of speedgames that are much more inactive then this)

Just my two cents as a casual viewer, I'm also interested in seeing how far can you guys shorten the any% OpieOP

Edited by the author 7 years ago

[quote]Casual viewer here, so my opinion probably don't really matter.[/quote]

stopped reading there

Turkey

reminder that this is just a forum post and u dont have to take viewer votes seriously if you want to :v)

that being said my viewer vote would be B thanks

Washington, D.C., USA

I was gonna vote A, but then slept on it and now support B. Considering how much that particular route has changed over the past year and a half, a classic% route would seem really arbitrary.

California, USA

B

why should any% change based on a new skip? it didnt change when duping was found

Tokyo, Japan

[quote]why should any% change based on a new skip? it didnt change when duping was found[/quote] Any% changed both times, it's about (not) modifying the category / adding new categories every time a "New Any%" happens

Czech Republic

A

Many games have "any% no OoB" categories, so why should VC be any different?

Belgium

You know, the more I think about it, the more I'd like to vote for A. Any% (as it is now) should always remain the main category, but the way it is now, just makes it so the game won't be competitive at all in a few weeks. Everyone will just get that "easy pb", and then never touch the game again, because I don't know why anyone would even want want to grind this. The previous any% wasn't active either, but at least there was SOME point in doing it. Right now I don't see why you'd want to do the old any% if you're never going to get close to the top ranks anyways. I know any% has changed multiple times by now, but like Patrick and some others pointed out, at least you were still playing some parts of the game. Right now all you do is wait a long time, hope you don't crash and there you go, run is over pretty much.

If you want a category to be added to the leaderboards, run the category. If enough people do runs of it, it will be added. I will say however, that if I were to arbitrarily pick and choose a less glitchy category of the game, it wouldn't be one that revolves around getting a cop car at the start of the game.

Mhmd_FVC, JOEdrinksBEER and 2 others like this
Russia

Seriously, though, "old any%" would be absolutely arbitrary making zero sense. You either forbid everything or nothing. I can only see adding misc categories "any% no replays" or "any% intended OMF", the latter being a rule that when you are on a mission your on mission flag must be 1 [and it would be forbidden to start missions during other missions]. However, I choose B because my opinion is that categories are defined by goals and not on how you play.

Edited by the author 7 years ago

FYI, you can't call the old any% route Any% no warp since warps have been used in any% since 2008

Lanayru and Patrick_ like this
Slovenia

Yea, this new strat is a combination of an instapass (albeit taking it to an extreme) and cutscenes teleporting you (like GA warp), so defining a category where MH's 53:01 run is legit but Powdinet's 17:23 isn't is really tricky.

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