Turbo For Stairskating in DS Category | Yes/No
4 years ago
New Mexico, USA

Hello everyone, I've been talking about this with the mods and I want to see what you all think about this. We were considering this to add more accessibility to the game for runners that want to run the game, but can't keep stairskating as much as this game demands.

I'm going to make a vote later on, just wanted to get the ball rolling on discussion for now.

wesker32 and KittensXO like this
New South Wales, Australia

I think this is a smart move as a Variable for DS runs for those who don't want to do so, and don't have issues with long-term button mashing. DS is essentially the "modded" category, and I believe that the analog/remapping methods are allowed currently within DS, so this doesn't do anything to remove skill from the equation as your lines, menuing, quickshots etc. will still require you to practice and get better.

Speaking of quickshots though, if someone is able to test and confirm that turbo does not allow for quickshots that would be a great place to start for testing, as I personally don't see turbo helping more than it would hurt as far as text prompts and menuing. From memory we do need to time links to quickshot, but I can see it being a problem if turbo bypasses this.

wesker32 likes this

My vote is no.

Edited by the author 4 years ago
Zero, MrDweirdo and 2 others like this

Modding or removing something that is directly related to skill is a hard no from me. Stair skating is part of this game's identity, we should be encouraging people to learn its skills instead of discouraging it by making it out to be more important or physically demanding than it is.

Starwin, Zero and 3 others like this
Pennsylvania, USA

I vote yes.

wesker32 likes this
Dalarna, Sweden

Plenty of speedruns have mashing as a part of their speedtech in many areas of their runs. Just don't grind the game for hours every single day and you'll be fine.

Stairskating is annoying for sure because there's no real cap to it; the faster you mash, the faster you go. If you want optimized times, you must be ready to give it your all. This makes the game not so grind friendly for some people, especially if you're like me. The point is, that's fine. This is just one of those games that you have to take your time with and not grind out immediately.

It seems a lot of people who want turbo to be legal want it because of how they personally feel about it. This is the wrong approach. Soph put it best; it's a skill element. If we're talking accessibility, while it would make the game more accessible, it removes skill factor and undermines the run quite a bit, as a large portion of it is stairskating correctly. There is no randomness attached to stairskating either which makes it one of the few proper techniques that is solely based on how you handle the situation in this game.

I vote no. I think remapping in DS already is a stupid thing, but it is better than turbo. Liv also makes valid points that also points out flaws in the usage of turbo, as it does make menuing incredibly fast. Quickshooting would most likely also be affected in this case, but I cannot verify this. If we remove stairskating, quickshots and menuing as factors... what does this game even have then? RNG zombie dodges. 4Head

Zero, MrDweirdo and 3 others like this
Belgium

No

Zero, RebeccaRE and 2 others like this
Emilia-Romagna, Italy

I want turbo stairskating for PC version. I can not run the game anymore because I permanently injured my elbow doing the motion...

TheNevs and wesker32 like this
Ceará, Brazil

Suggestion: use MISC or CE for this

Plywood, wesker32 and 2 others like this
Michigan, USA

To put my 2 cents in, I would love to see new runners for this game whether they can stair skate or not. With that being said though, I would agree with Turbo ONLY if its in its own category. That way peeps can learn/run the game without tearing whatever out and the original categories do not get changed but again, my opinion. If this is to implement across the whole board, then I am a hard NO.

wesker32 likes this
Los Angeles, CA, USA

If we are voting thats a solid No from me

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Victoria, Australia

For a category that already uses a mod (aka Door Skip) I'd like to see it happen for sure. The inability to stair skate due to RSI from work is one of the biggest reasons I have not been able to get into running the game

United States

I think it's important to note that door skip exists solely, because of the remapping exception. This was the only way to have door skip return at the time since this game was already having conflicts about stairskating.

Basically, a runner by the name of Zeroth found an alternative to it by remapping the right analog to use the run button and was able to achieve 'RawDerps' stairskate speeds. As a result, the legitimacy of it was brought into question and we were proposed with removing it, adding it, or reintroduce door skip which allowed remapping.

As far as I know this remapping technique only works with InputMapper which is limited to the PS4 controller. Either this information has been lost since its discovery, or not many people took advantage of it due to the peripheral limitations. I feel like even with the remapping alone we haven't seen much increase in activity. There's definitely a lot more runs for doorskip compared to when it was originally here though, so I believe having it back under these circumstances is okay, but it's best to leave it the way as it is now than to try to cater it to newcomers.

I'm going to say no to turbo since it's only going to hurt the integrity of this game. Even if you limit the function to stair skating only, someone will still end up ignoring that rule and use it for text cycling which is a good chunk of this game. Remapping also falls under this circumstance as well, but it's the least problematic since you can only do so much to remap the same function across 12 buttons and wouldn't benefit off it anyway. It's not going to help with your handgun quickshooting since it has a unique timing mechanic to it that ignores mashing. :p

Edited by the author 4 years ago
Prince Edward Island, Canada

Stairskating makes me feel physically Ill and I still vote no.

SephJul, Zero and 5 others like this
Lanark, Scotland

Yeah, let's just make this run a meme. When does it stop though? Tools to make this/that consistent. For example, here's a tool to make the arrowhead zombie consistently lunge. Here's a tool to make the bee's drop in 2 seconds every time. Soon it's going to get to the point where you just active "easy" mode with all this shit and there's no skill involved. Smfh. My vote is no.

Edited by the author 4 years ago
GenoaLow likes this

Turbo is generally banned throughout RE anyways. Allowing turbo because your arms or your whatever hurts is nothing short of ridiculous. If skating is a problem, you are more than welcome to meme and remap your controls to skate with a PS4 analog stick. Risking this games integrity to keep a few people happy? Miss me with that shit. How do the mods guarantee this wont spill over to vanilla categories? Don't you see the potential problems?

I've said it once and I'll say it again. This is NOT a MEME speedgame.

Starwin, Zero and 7 others like this
Belgium

This is a big NO from me. door skip does not make this game a meme run but turbo will make it one. Stairskating is a skill and an impressive one i might add so making turbo available would be a bad move...

MrDweirdo likes this
Ontario, Canada

I envision a great future where all speed runners are jacked into wheel chairs and neural devices to interface into games with their minds allowing extreme optimization, I vote yes on Stephen Hawking %

impasta, uhTrance and 2 others like this
Pennsylvania, USA

Not only am I pretty surprised by the reactions here, I had assumed that it would be a separate category which means it wouldn't even affect anyone who put time and practice into stair skating. If I'm wrong about that then I guess I'll change my vote but if we're just opening another category that's more inclusive (especially for someone who might be disabled and physically CAN'T do stair skating) then my vote is always going to be yes. I'm surprised how against this idea everyone is. Unless it affects your own preferred categories and times how could it possibly do anything other than allow more people to join in the fun hobby of speedrunning? This thread descended quite rapidly. Unbelievable.

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