times need to be removed and rules need to be updated
7 years ago
Nova Scotia, Canada

Since the item set you're supposed to use are no longer listed in the rules, many times on the leaderboards have been taking advantage of the "basic" item set. It removes blue shells, shocks, and other power items from the roulette giving you mostly only green shells and shrooms. It shouldn't be the way the game is run because it's essentially the no item category.

Some times which use this item set are

G37NEO's 32 tracks (no skip) 1:14:59 (he also played on dolphin which cuts loading times by even more than an ISO and allows savestates)

WiiLord95's 32 tracks 1:13:59 (he doesn't even show the rules and he didn't show 3 tracks from his run on video, meaning the total time could be faked/illegitimate)

Estaloy62's 32 tracks 1:14:07

I'm sure there are more times on the leaderboards like this but these are just the ones I found. The fact that these times are allowed is extremely unfair to those who play with the "recommended" item set (the default one for the game) because they lose approximately 2 minutes against someone on the "basic" item set just to blues and shocks alone.

If I remember correctly this request was made via pm to the moderators of this section but the request was ignored, so I ask again that you please update the rules to clarify which item set must be used, and remove all basic item set times from the leaderboards, or at least hire new people who will.

Edited by the author 7 years ago
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Colorado, USA

I brought this up with Croco in Twitter DMs. People have been using other item setting rather than the required ones.

United States

I brought this up with all three moderators privately back in November, and they haven't looked into it whatsoever after all this time.

Look here for proof of NEO cheating in his runs: http://www.speedrun.com/mkw/thread/wkisp/1#nkekf

Edited by the author 7 years ago
Belgium

The rules are half good now. Just add in that the "Recommended' item setting has to be used, and then the rules are perfect! If it is put on Basic, there is no challange. Then you're better of playing the no-item category. :')

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New York, USA

I knew some of those times were bs..

Utah, USA

"If it is put on Basic, there is no challange." From what I can tell, turning this option on just removes a majority of the RNG from the run. There is nothing particularly more challenging about doing a run where you're prone to lose any amount of time by doing absolutely nothing, the only challenging part is actually taking enough to time to grind and literally speedrun RNG. Had I known that choosing basic was an option I would have done some runs myself, considering no-item categories still don't exist outside of 32 tracks for some reason. Nice to see the mods doing work here.

Nova Scotia, Canada

basic items remove all rng, there's no point of having an items category if we aren't going to use the normal mkw item set. we might as well just have 2 no item categories if basic is allowed.

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Utah, USA

That's the problem, there are no "no-items" categories other than 32 tracks. Nitro, Retro, and every individual cup only has item categories. Also, an added benefit of doing Basic instead of Normal is that you can get guaranteed triple mushrooms on every track, making it considerably different from no-items. No point in enabling items that do nothing but slow you down randomly, makes no sense.

Edited by the author 7 years ago

When people have to cheat/fake things in this sort of thing. That's sad mate. Why would someone choose to dive so low to fake something like this, quite dissapointing.

Mecklenburg-Vorpommern, Germany

Maybe we just delete the basic runs and have a TT 32 tracks category. which would be good for skips, because you start every time with 3 shrooms and no RNG.

Maryland, USA

Thanks for bringing this to my attention. To be honest, I've lost some interest in speedrunning because of Smash Bros and Overwatch being addicting. I am working on removing all false times. Thank you

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Nova Scotia, Canada

Thanks for removing them, I went through all times on the skips category and the top 20 times on the no-skips category that had video proof to see which ones still have strategic/basic item sets instead of balanced/recommended (ntsc-u/pal game wording differences) and there were only 2 (listed below) but a lot of people don't actually have video proof of their runs. Might be a good idea to require it for future submissions?

WiiLord95 32 tracks 1:14:47 Estaloy62 32 tracks 1:15:10

Also seeing as it's the same two I'm guessing all of their speedruns have used this item set, so it might be a good idea to go through all of them and watch the first 30 seconds of their VOD to see the rules they used.

United States

I don't know how often the moderators check this forum, but please look into Tyler's request when possible (and approve some pending times)

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