Amiibo
7 years ago
Ottawa, ON, Canada

instead of complaining about how a game that's been out for less then a week doesn't have a full set of guides for you to use you could do the bare minimum research and find this thread http://www.speedrun.com/botw/thread/8m7il

DaveCozy and steve_schlegel like this
United States

Sorry if it came off as complaining, was just trying to make a suggestion. With the past games I've run I would just watch runs and learn the tricks using the games database/guides then do runs without asking any questions from other runners of that game. I asked on the discord the other day and no one pointed me in the right direction. I usually try to stay away from threads/forums until after I've done a run, with BotW I feel the need to ask, because I want to try out amiibos casually and unrecorded practice runs. Thanks for the link.

alumni likes this
Illinois, USA

remove amiibo from the run i dont want my speedgame to become a pay to win Kappa

Arizona, USA

Separate category

United States

So just to sum up: the general consensus seems to be that while it might not be ideal in terms of category accessibility, any% should definitely include amiibos based on previous precedent with the Tingle Tuner, the chinese console of OoT, and other similar hardware requirements to running the game.

For anyone who disagrees, just remember that for any% at least, Epona only saves 10-12 seconds. Yeah that's a significant amount of time, but we're still in the phase of running the game where both amiibo and non-amiibo runs are competitive with each other. On top of that, it's possible to clone amiibos with NFC tags and there are guides elsewhere on the internet for that process. Ultimately don't feel like you absolutely have to have the amiibos unless you're dead set on getting the WR, and even then you're better off practicing to shave your own times down before picking them up instead of buying everything up front and realizing you just hate/lose interest in running the game.

Walland and ffleret like this
Canada

Idunno, the feeling I get from reading this thread is that way more people are against amiibos. Not sure how you can call that a consensus for allowing amiibos

Edited by the author 7 years ago
Scotland

I think for Any% it is more of an issue than say All Main Quests, as saving 10-15 seconds is more of an issue with a 45~ minute run in comparison to 5 hours.

bobakanoosh55555 likes this
Québec

In this thread, there are more people against Amiibos because, right now, the Amiibos are allowed. So the people that are pro-amiibos don't actually talk as much. It would be all the way around if the Amiibos were unallowed. It's just how things work. People disagreeing on something will always speak louder anyway.

Edited by the author 7 years ago
OldIronEyes and Tigame like this
Ontario, Canada

Amiibos should fall under TAS. Toy Assisted Spedruns.

That was bad, but I'm not sorry about that.

Seriously though, I think they should be allowed for any %. Maybe there can he separate categories for "All Dungeons/main quests" but any % should be what it is, no restrictions aside from hardware modification and manipulation.

Edited by the author 7 years ago
France

For the category "all dungeons" you can save 1m20 - 1m30 if you use amiibos and you don't have the horse RNG so it's significative! So We need two differents categories: with amiibo and without amiibo.

Edited by the author 7 years ago
Scotland

People keep commenting on this about how much time save it makes in each category (myself included) but are these estimates or have people ran each category with and without to see how much it does save? I previously commented saying I thought it should be disallowed for Any% purely due to the percentage of the actual run it saves. Like 20 seconds can mean a lot in a 40~ minute run, but like 100 seconds in a 5~ hour run is a lot less of a difference, and a lot of the RNG that is involved in the longer runs I think would discount any advantage from using Amiibo. I think we just need more data before we make a decision. I am currently running All Main Quests, and because of that I think you need Epona, without it you could lose time you need for other aspects of RNG to make it to an average run.

Germany

None. Wolf Link is not useful and actually won't enter Hyrule Castle with you.

Looks like mods are overruling consensus. Realistically we can just work out another forum for BotW given the resistance here.

Antarctica

[quote]Looks like mods are overruling consensus[/quote] when the consensus is by people who don't run the game/aren't involved in the community (which the majority of the people complaining in this thread don't/aren't), yes, that's how it usually works.

Edit: editing so idiots can't say stupid shit like "2/4 mods don't run the game either"

Edited by the author 7 years ago

when the consensus is by people who don't run the game (which the majority of the people complaining in this thread don't), yes, that's how it usually works.

Not having submitted times =/= Not running the game.

Unless you're implying 2/4 mods aren't running this game.

Edited by the author 7 years ago
bobakanoosh55555 likes this
New York, USA

What the fuck is the point of keeping this thread alive, go home kiddies, it's done.

Timmiluvs likes this
Washington, USA

You just made it more alive...

Ottawa, ON, Canada

"'ignorant mods'? Boy howdy, this place went to shit as soon as all the stream monsters moved in and tried to take over. Tell you what, go do a speedrun of literally anything and then I'll tell you how to run your game and actually this metaphor is falling apart because I literally couldn't care less than I do at this moment about your hot take on speedrunning. You're here because you watched AGDQ and felt like a big kid getting to post your opinions here on reddit underneath the accomplishments of actual members of the community. Remember that the thirty seconds you spent formulating your opinion and the idle time you spend browsing twitch is not an equivalent investment into this community and does not give you equal stake as the people who spend their time actually learning/routing/researching/running/optimizing these speedruns." - a great man 2017

tl;dr just stop

Magiobiwan, JTB, and Timmiluvs like this
Arizona, USA

@Timmiluvs the rules for 99% of sports competitions aren't made by the players

You're employing the genetic fallacy