Revamped leaderboard
2 years ago
Ohio, USA

We absolutely should change how this leaderboard is set up, for the sake of the integrity of runs, be that reset-less & reset categories made or a complete revamp of Tournament. Resetting mid run entirely ruins the point of speedrunning the game. There is no risk. In most cases, a reset would nullify the IGT and RT would be used for the placing on the leaderboard.

We can completely change how splits are maintained, with manually inputting times into our splits. Its how Antz Extreme Racing maintains their split integrity, and I think we should include that here. Im sure we can get a template created and shared into the "Resources" tab, if that is what is desired.

conmangamer22 likes this
North Carolina, USA

completely agreed, something needs to be done about these leaderboards since the current setup and rules undermines the entire point of full game speedruns. If the mods could respond to this with something at least instead of ignoring it every time it's been brought up that'd be great too.

Rhylam likes this
North Brabant, Netherlands

I am 100% in favour of this change to Tournament runs, but I also would like to point out that now that the cup categories have come out, I personally would really love to see this being restartless from the very beginning. This way there won't be any problems in installing this rule later on down the line.

Being allowed to restart single levels in a multi level course not only defeats the purpose of such a run, for me it also completely takes the soul out of submitting any runs. Since you're basically forced to use restarts, it becomes a challenge of who's prepared to grind the run for more hours at a time rather than skill (and luck), which I think it should be about.

jinnoh03 likes this
Brazil

So indeed the game and leaderboard should be fixed, but for people who spent hours resetting the level and trying to get better times would it be useless? in fact the game, managing to make it fully every possible time, a sub 33 is guaranteed. That's why it's better to make a separate category itself, a category that allows these resets.

Bastirog, Soraz, and jinnoh03 like this
North Brabant, Netherlands

I really think we need separate leaderboards for tournament runs with and without resets. Right now the reset runs are in the same leaderboard as those without resets would be. By having separate categories you can keep the old runs relevant and also allow people to compete in resetless runs.

Also, bring back mirror mode!

conmangamer22 and Bastirog like this
North Carolina, USA

Yeah I agree, separating the runs that include restarts from those that don't makes a lot of sense, especially now that restarts are banned and runners can't use the same tactics that the top runs used. Splitting runs that have no restarts and runs that do makes the most sense. Also not sure what would happen to runs that don't have full video proof to prove that they didn't use restart but I think those should be moved to the restart category if it's split.

Brazil

I also think it's fair to separate like this, to make the resetless race relevant on the leaderboard and with reset on the other tab