No Wraps%? and Background
7 years ago
Tennessee, USA

I was wondering if we could add a "No Wraps%" category to the leaderboard. So basically, No Minor Skips. Some of the level wraps are a little aggravating so I thought it would be OK to have a category where you can skip levels, but no in-level glitches. Plz?

Also as a side note I wanted to add a background (that I created in Paint) to the leaderboard so in case this gets OK'ed here are the images: (minus the white parts obviously)

Foreground: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1B5UvOcLcQeH_9-aKf0Qv283DFSa46dFiMCz6eF3RSYo/edit#slide=id.p

Background: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1eTq-VUVL4SjwfSZBS1ZNxLJVevhaU2zd_2yPVVExjO4/edit#slide=id.p

Honduras

mmm... To be honest I do not see very feasible to make a category that way because I see it similar to any% for the simple fact that you skip levels. A recommendation could be for a category where they do not use that type of glitches like screen warps glitch and skip levels I mean an any% glitchless, I think it would be more viable a category so instead of one where it has as a restriction not to make certain glitches at certain levels.

Tennessee, USA

Ok makes sense. So is just an Any% glitchless category more reasonable?

Honduras

Exactly, that way wouldn't be accessible screenwarps, skip levels, pouncer skip (autoscroller skip inrice beach 4), etc. also would be an ideal category for the new runners.

Germany

I think glitchless could be a good category since even NMS uses a lot of glitches. But would that mean that smaller exploits like jumping off the edge on SSTC 30 Boss are banned as well? Would be good for everyone to know exactly which tricks are banned in that category, especially for new players.

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Tennessee, USA

Cranky~ I feel like there's no reason to cut out boss fanfare skips (there are 3) since they are virtually impossible to mess up to the point where its questionable whether they are glitches or not. The way I see it, they're just convenient, easy ways to save 10 seconds. I feel like no one would have any problem with not hearing the full fanfare 2 or 3 times.

vlack~So is that a yes?

Germany

@Breadpan if you see it like that I agree, it's not really possible to mess up those tricks. I was just wondering if they are considered as glitches because I guess it was not put in the game on purpose...

Oh and btw could you please give me permissions to see the designs you created for the leaderboards? Thanks :)

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Honduras

Glitches of which I have knowledge in this game for speedruns: -Levels Skip -Dispawn Doors Glitch(Like in SSTC 27) -Pouncer Skip(RB 04) -Screen Wrap Glitch -Jumping off the edge after beat SC 25, Mt. Teapot 13 and SSTC 30 Bosses(about this I'm not totally sure if this is considered a glitch)

@Breadpan Seeing that several of the categories have heavy glitches including any% NMS would say that it is a yes but before creating it I want to be sure if there is no other trick in the game that is considered a glitch.

@Crankykong It's no there any design in this leaderboard but if you want to add some to make it look better aesthetically, I do not see any problem with it.

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Germany

@vlack yes there is no design on the leaderboard, but Breadpan posted a link in his first post of this thread :)

If we really want this category to be glitchless even minor glitches like the mentioned jumping off the edge trick (which I guess is probably a glitch since it's very unlikely to be implemented by developers) should be banned even though it's totally easy to do.

Tennessee, USA

@vlack I hate to say this, but I feel like any form of going right through spikes (or things like that) with the Jet Hat is also a glitch, even though it is also remarkably easy.

@Cranky I suppose your right buuuuut..... it could just be classified as poor coding (forgot the official term, it might be 'bug' though) that could easily happen in casual play and not exploiting specific lines of code to skip large portions of the game (in other words down-right).

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Germany

Yes, might just be poor coding! Same goes for passing through the spikes with the jethat (because of the weird hurtbox of the hat), it could happen pretty much accedently so would be hard to ban. Maybe we should create a strawpoll to let the 'whole' community decide what's a glitch and what's not?

Tennessee, USA

I think a strawpoll would be a good idea, but due to the fact that the WL1 community is so small we might not get the kind of votes that would determine which are glitches and which aren't. I say vlack's list minus boss fanfare skip is a good list because the glitches he lists take some setup and skip pretty large portions of the game. In my opinion, glitches that save 30 seconds or more should be banned.

Honduras

Tfw run glitchless in this game is harder than any% or any% NMS Kappa.

I agree with Breadpan, this community is too small to decide by means of a strawpoll although I did not think it was a bad idea.

About the jumping off the edge thing in some bosses to skip bonus coins, I feel that it is a glitch even though the programmers leave it on purpose or by wrongly programming the game in that aspect I mention it simply by this other similar glitch(Fake Death Glitch):

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Germany

I agree with both of you! But if we ban the fake death glitch we need to ban the fanfare skip as well, just because like Vlack said that it works kind of similiar. Even though no one (except you, Vlack) will ever be able to pull off the Fake Death Glitch haha.

What about the bugged jethat hit-/hurtbox and it's associated exploits? We know that it's technically an exploit/glitch, but do you guys think we should ban it?

Tennessee, USA

I never thought about fanfare skip being like the fake death. In that case, I see why you think it should be banned. Banning poor hitboxes would be incredibly difficult. If you accidentally abuse the hitbox (which could very easily happen) then the run's technically over.

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Tennessee, USA

So here's what we have as of banned glitches:

-Level skips -Pouncer Skip -Dispawn door glitch -Screen wraps -Fanfare skips

Is there anything else we've missed or are these acceptable rules for a glitchless category?

(Also Cranky you said you wanted to try out the designs I made for the leaderboard but since I haven't seen them up yet, is there something I need to fix?)

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Honduras

I'm still wonder if ban the thing of poor hitboxes but just in places where you use jet hat through spikes, axes or anything that could hurt you because for the invulnerability to do it through them (example SC 38) and about the other glitches I agree to be banned for glitchless.

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Tennessee, USA

I think saying "No spike, axe, etc. 'phasing' with the jet hat" will do the job. So completely bypassing/going through a set of spikes or axes with the jet hat will make the run an Any% run instead. So accidentally passing through a spike or two but then turning around to crawl under it the normal way will keep the run glitchless.

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Germany

That sounds good to me :)

@Breadpan: I just wanted to see the design, but since it's on googledrive I need permissions to look at it.