I don't know if it's a good idea to have Juste All Bosses as a category. Other castlevania games have it, but there's no way I would ever run it. Getting good runs with Juste using optimized routes is so frustrating and inconsistent that I wouldn't want to run more than one "All Something" category, and All Furniture is the best one for that since getting all furniture makes a change to the ending.
On the other hand, the more categories the merrier. If someone puts effort into running by some rules it should be reflected in the leaderboard. So I would say make it a miscellaneous category. But please, richterfans, run Juste All Furniture instead. It's a much better category.
What does anyone else think?
(Also I want Juste Boss Rush Hard No Subweapons to be a category. So I think I'll add that too.)
I know I haven't personally submitted any runs as of yet but overall with the character I think I've had the most fun yet the most frustrating times with Juste in comparison to all other characters in the series. I do not have the proper setup yet but as soon as I do these are all runs I would put a substantial amount of effort into
I think if all bosses and all furniture are similar enough then there should only be one of them, but I wasn't really sure what to do with it since nobody's done an all furniture RTA run yet.
I generally like to keep it to fewer categories to consolidate competition and only add new ones if they're unique enough or if there's a lot of interest in it. I don't think you have to add a new category for anything one person's done a run of since then you could end up with 50 meme categories on your boards if someone decided to take advantage of it. Granted, all bosses is normally a pretty standard category for completionist metroidvania runs, but if all furniture is a better run then I'd rather have that instead if people are willing to run it.
That said, I don't have plans to run Juste any time soon, so I'll leave it up to the Juste runners/mods to decide what to do with his categories.
Considering that all furniture changes the ending and boss rush no subweapons drastically changes boss rush mode I would settle for just the addition of a no subweapons in boss rush. But then again I'm unsure of who else would take interest. All bosses is looked at as a catagory that should be there because it's seen in most Castlevania games as a whole. In this circumstance, all furniture is a run unique to this game. I'd say without a proper base of players interested in these catagories the LB's would stagnate in those areas regardless of what catagories are decided upon.
I would need to look at how different All Bosses and All Furniture really are to have an informed opinion on this. At the moment I'm hesitant about adding it since Juste already has a decent collectable category.
Also for Juste Boss Rush No Subweapons I think that'd be best as a variable or subcategory for the Juste Boss Rush category instead of a seperate tab entirely.
There are 17 bosses besides Maxim and Dracula. -Of them, Vampire Bat, Skull Knight, Max Slimer, Shadow, and Death (5) would definitely be in an All Furniture route. -Golem, Devil, Legion Saint, Pazuzu, and Peeping Big (5) would very probably be in, or would anyway be close to the necessary path the route takes. (Being near furniture, etc.) -Minotaur 2, Legion Corpse, and Cyclops (3) would probably be skipped but would definitely be close to the necessary path. -That leaves Living Armor, Minotaur 1, Giant Merman, and Talos (4) which might be out of the way the route, but probably 1 or 2 of them would be in the route or close to it anyway.
So I predict that about 1-4 of those bosses would be very far out of the way of any All Furniture route. And the more optimized the route gets, the less bosses it would come close to or fight. Besides them, there's also Maxim and Dracula. Probably the cutscene glitch wouldn't count as defeating the bosses, but there might be some question about that. Probably a more optimized All Furniture run would fight them and a less optimized one wouldn't.
On the other side of it, most pieces of furniture are near enough to bosses or to the route an All Bosses run would almost definitely have to take. The big additions would be getting the Crush Boots, going through both ball races, visiting the furniture room at the end, and going to 4 places with furniture which might not be close to the route which are in Treasury A, Skel Cave A, Marble Gallery B/Wailing Way B, and Chapel B. Of those 4 places, probably 1 or 2 of them would be in the route or close to it anyway. Besides these, there would be lots of minor additions to get the rest of the furniture which would really add up.
In conclusion, I think the 2 categories would be very similar if they were similarly optimized. I'd guess the All Bosses run would repeat about 50%-70% of the All Furniture run, and then end early at about the 80% mark. However, since I won't run All Bosses, there's a good chance they won't be similarly optimized or would use different route preferences, which would make for a lot of the difference between them.
But anyway, there's literally nothing wrong with having 50 meme categories as long as they're made by serious runners. At the moment, richterfans is the second best Juste runner and he did one of these collectible categories before I did, so I would put his category on the leaderboard.
It's just too bad I can't try to convince him to run All Furniture instead without making it sound like All Bosses isn't option, since I know he doesn't understand English very well. I would just hope the category isn't improved enough in the future to justify removing it later.
I don't understand all of these comments('cause they are all in English) much. Anyway thank you all for supporting.
I'm adding Juste All Bosses, though I don't think I'll ever run it. I just think the leaderboard should reflect the runs that the runners are doing. Hopefully any competition will move to All Furniture later and make All Bosses obsolete.
