NG+ Category Proposal
6 years ago
Pennsylvania, USA

Okay everyone, discussion time!

The question is on possibly adding NG+ category to the site and if there will be runners for it.

Having watched A4| Mr.DarkIce's run using Rosa it comes down to maxing out your items before starting the run itself which would take some serious grinding. For example the fastest way to grind the large red's at the start of Chapter 2 you get the chest at the start, run forward to trigger the fight and after it saves back out and repeat the level to get the lollipop again, repeating until full. The rest would be trickier, trying to find a materials box that you can quickly access would be the best. I know that A4| Mr.DarkIce had showed a video where he farms in Chapter 8 but that is a pure RNG nightmare.

You would have to do this on one save file and then copy it so you would not have to keep grinding over and over for each run, but it's still a big time investment. Outside of one person currently is anyone going to seriously run this category. Not a "I am going to totally do it!" and never follow through but a serious "Yes, I will run this category." and commit to it.

The other point to consider would be what would the rules entail. Since it is a NG+ you could have every single item, weapon, and bracelet at your disposal; should anything be banned or restricted? Please leave your thoughts here and remember to keep it civil.

Example: All weapons, items, and accessories are able to be used. All characters can be used. The run can be done on any difficulty setting. Emulators are banned. Timer starts when the Prologue chapter is selected and ends on the final enemy death in the credits. Video is required for submission.

Edited by the author 6 years ago
China

Not sure there can be much things to discuss. IMO, since player have all the resources at his disposal in NG+, maybe we should restrict the difficulty at Infinite Climax only. The pros are: 1. we wont make category too separated. 2. with all the resources here, infinite climax is not that hard to beat. Remember we only have 4x16 = 64 pops for each kind in our NG category, and in NG+ we could have 198 pops and half of which are mega pops. Not to mention we have all the powerful bracelets in NG+.

Anyway, since I will not run this category in the near future, I would say if there are people actually running in NG+ category right now, they can have bigger voice over me. I guess I dont have reason to deny an actual video done at different difficulty.before me. But if there's no people running in this category currently, and we community just want to set a guideline, I think we'd better restrict the difficulty at Infinite Climax only

Edited by the author 6 years ago
Berkshire, England

I'm writing to confirm my interest of Speedrunning NG+ for bayonetta 2 . I hope this can become a category soon. I do alot of spreedruns for this game and think the Bayonnetta 2 Speedrunning community would benefit too :D

Kind Regards

Pennsylvania, USA

That's great thewestonator89! Do you have any ideas or suggestions as to what the rule set would be for such a category? Would you restrict anything?

Australia

Here's my 2 cents: Personally, I don't think a NG+ category'd be the greatest but I can see the attraction of it. It means we'd be able to experiment with different weapons for different fights. However, I think challenge goes out the window when we start using accessories and I think challenge is what brings most of us to running the game, in general, especially on higher difficulties. Only reason we don't use accessories in NG is because we literally can't afford anything worth our time till the end of the game. Another cool potential would be maybe doing an Non-Stop Infinite Climax run w/ Rosa having maxed out magic. I mean the category'd be hell still, but hey maybe at least manageable? The only rule I'd impose on NG+ would be NO ACCESSORIES; otherwise, we'd having a boring cheese fest of a run. Other than that, I can't see the harm of NG+ and having maxed out lollies, life, magic and all weapons; it just might shape up to be an interesting run having more tools at our disposal. I, personally, won't run NG+ but I'd be interested in a category that could make a NSIC run for Rosa accessible (without cheesing w/ accessories). Just a thought...

PS - I agree with Arismaotle too on having NG+ restricted to NSIC. It just wouldn't seem worth it other wise.

Edited by the author 5 years ago
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Netherlands

Alright, lemme throw in my opinion, should there be a NG+ category, a 3rd and Infinite Climax category would probably be good. The playstyle between those two categories changes quite a lot. Between switching up the enemies on Infinite climax, as well as a lot more of the enemies knowing how to expertly parry/ dodge attacks, I feel like that would be quite a difference.

Also, as for what is allowed to be used on NG+ runs, I'd just figure anything goes. With either of the climax braces equipped, you'll gain valuable time by not having to mash through another result screen at the end of a chapter, plus, to me, a NG+ run without accessories would just feel like a slightly buffed NG run. The only item that I maybe would consider banning is the Bracelet of Time, because imo, that combined with the Climax Brace would probably the most broken accessory in the game, even without it, since you'd have maxed out purples.

As for what characters to use, it would probably just be Rosa, even as a glass cannon, you coud just use yellows, and with Umbran Climax at your disposal (and probably at least a hotshot), you would probably not die, ever. and using any other character would just make you slower, because the reason why Rosa would be going so fast, is because she automatically has the earrings of ruin, and can also equip climax brace 1 and 2, with CB 2 giving her even more power, while sustaining the armour indefinitely because of CB1. Bayo and Jeanne would have to forego one of those bracelets to equip the EoR. Should people choose to run other characters, it should probably just be a manual filter, instead of an actual subcategory.

Pennsylvania, USA

So something like this?

All runs must be on Hard or Infinite Climax Rosa must be used All weapons, items, and accessories are able to be used except for Bracelet of Time Timer starts when the Prologue chapter is selected and ends on the final enemy death in the credits Emulators are banned Video is required for submission

Netherlands

Sorta like that, like, not using Rosa would just feel like a waste because she does the killing far faster than Bayo and Jeanne. And the Bracelet of time ban was only a suggestion IF there was going to be a restriction on using certain things. Personally, I have no problem with it being used, but it's open to discussion.

Pennsylvania, USA

Okay, seems like we are getting there! Any other views or suggestions on rules? Anyone going to run NG+ if it's approved?

Netherlands

If need arises, I'll probably do a run to get it on the board (that's basically +1), shouldn't take too long, and maybe I'll even enjoy it enough to do more of them. So far, it would probably just be me and A4| Mr.DarkIce, it looks like

For the NG+ rules though, I feel they'd kinda look like this.

Main Category: New Game + Subcategories: Hard or Infinite Climax Rosa preferred, anything else is just gonna be slower No Restrictions (still kinda up for debate) Timer starts when the Prologue chapter is selected and ends on the final enemy death in the credits Emulators are banned Video is required for submission

Edited by the author 5 years ago
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