SUB system in the leaderboard
3 years ago
Belarus

Briefly:

  1. Please approve the new variable "Sub". (There will be Sub 1, 2, 3...) 2)Adding a race, you can choose your own Sub. (If your time is 20: 45, then you will have until Sub 21) 3)Sub will become an additional filter. (It will allow you to display a small top player within this time frame. In this top it will be possible to have the first place and have fun ))

When a lot of people participate in a category, as for version 1.16.1, the value in the usual distribution of places in order is lost. It seems to me that we need to come up with another form of identification of places where there would not be such ephemerality or illusory as now. What do I mean by that?

Let's say you have 500 seats now because you ran for about 26 minutes. After a while, your place becomes already 550 because a lot of people tried to run faster. Then what is the point of such a non-stable system?

The numbers of your place, in this case, do not mean anything at all. They are so temporary that even for a world record tomorrow there is no guarantee that it will be the first place. Confirmation of this is a recent case in the 1.16.1 category, where the new Illumina record did not last very long. As a verifier, I've seen it. Illumina was not happy about the event for long. New names appeared ahead in just a day or two. For those who know a little about psychology, this state of affairs seems even destructive, the cause of apathy and depression.

So, the places in the top are illusory. Among the lower places in the top, this is a common problem. You win the place with great difficulty, and tomorrow some " upstarts" )) cancel your achievement, push you far far down... Agree that this is not quite the right position. Although I understand that there should be losers in the competition, but not in the one thousand five hundred place... This has all reached the point of incredible absurdity in my opinion.

What does it mean 500 place or 1500 place? Doesn't mean anything at all. But in the 500th place there is now a player with SUB 26 and in the 1500th place there is a player with SUB for more than an hour. And I thought that SUB might be the solution to this problem of tops. Of course, on this site it is not provided that the places are distributed somehow according to the allocated SUBS, but I am developing my own, unofficial leaderboard, in which I try to solve this problem in advance. But even in the official leaderboard, I see an opportunity to do this, which I will tell you about later.

It seems to me that it is possible to assign places to each SUB. For example, the first place is SUB 13, the second is SUB 14, the third is SUB 15... If you look at the table now, there will be 1 person in the first place, 2 people in the second place, 7 people in the third, and so on. The bigger the SUB, the more people there are. I suggest counting places in a SUB way. In this case, on SUB 20, all seats from 93 to 120 will be considered as the 8th place. And even when in the existing top it will no longer be 93 and 120, but 203 and 415 places, it will still be the 8th place. Agree that this is much more reasonable and interesting.

Within a single SUB, a large group of players can form, who will want to indicate their seniority if they ran faster. This will be quite possible if there is a top inside a single SUB. Thus, a player can have an 8-place position in the SUB, and a 20-place position inside the SUB. It turns out such an interesting number of places 8/20. 8 will be a stable place, and 20-a variable place for those who prefer to see the ascent to the top of the SUB.

So for a player who is trying to overcome the boundaries of his SUB, there will be much fewer opponents, not a thousand, but a couple of dozen people. This will be more convenient. Then it would be great to do such a simple sorting of the races by their main SUB. There's not much to do for that.

When I moderated the map for speedrun, I was able to experiment a bit and realized that we could introduce an additional SUB variable for players to fill in. It can then be output through a Filter, just as you can output the race results for a certain version of Minecraft. So, for 1.16+ , you can choose SUB 20 and display only a small list of competitors, a small top, where the best thing is that you can be in the first place. )) You can be at least somewhere in the 1st place. )) It will be fun mini championships, if you want.

Someone will eventually leave SUB 20, moving to SUB 19. Your place may be the first, even through no fault of your own... )) Where else will you get so much joy, where your rivals give way to you, and do not displace you? This model, unlike the existing one, is not aimed at the disorder of a person, but at his inspiration. And to do this, just enter the SUB variable and set all the standard parameters for it.

Of course, we will have to do some work to add SUB to every race that currently exists in the rating, but it is worth it in my opinion. After all, the popularity of speedrun in Minecraft will grow, the number of participants will increase, it will not decrease. These 1500 places have long been of no interest to anyone and cause only ridicule if you say that you are in 1500 place in the world in speedrun in 1.16.1. Instead, it would be more pleasant to realize yourself in 60 place and inform your friends about it. Please like it if you like the idea. Offer this idea to your community and so we can someday influence the adoption of this innovation.

Well, let's say we have a variable SUB and we can output a special top for this SUB through the filter. How will it be seen in the overall top that instead of the illusory 120th place, you have a stable 8th place in the world?

Editors need to specifically refer to SUB 13, for example, as "# 1 SUB 13". And so on (#2 SUB 14, # 3 SUB 15). At the same time, the old top system remains familiar, but it will be possible for many people to see themselves as No. 3 in the world in it, despite some details. If you filter out the details about this # 3 SUB 15, then you can find yourself, for example, in the 20th place among all #3. Everything. So your seat will be 3/20

If a fairly rare world record is already set that adds a smaller SUB, such as SUB 12 or Sub 11, then the moderator will only need to edit the names by changing the number. In this case, you can lose your 8th place, getting 9, but this will be rare because WR is increasingly difficult and unattainable.

I think this is quite a useful tool in our vast top.

Edited by the author 3 years ago
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Singapore

I highly agree with this idea and I think it will make speedrunning rsg 1.16 more rewarding and interesting. However, will this also be the case for other categories like aa and ssg etc. I also feel that categories like ssg should have this as it isn’t that fun when you submit a pb which is #21 and have it go down to like #30+ when it is verified. Also because of some runners in the discord complaining about the new seed providing so many runners to be able to sub 2:30, and they are not happy with their board position which has dropped drastically but do not wish to grind the new seed. I maybe suggest there could be an unofficial leaderboard as well for old seed and new seed and 1.14 seed.

Edited by the author 3 years ago
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Greece

I like the idea

Poland

i dont like it though

Belarus

Thank you for your comments.

I think that the SUB system can be implemented in all categories. As far as I know the capabilities of the moderator in the organization of the leaderboard, then in each category can be added their own separate SUB, so that there is no confusion.

The division into the old seed and the new seed is unlikely to be here, but in fact it is not fair. You can't compare runners from different SET SEEDS. My new leaderboard will have separate leaderboards for each SET SEED. This will be done in Google tables and therefore formulas can easily make any filters, unlike the restrictions of this site.

If you decide to leave a comment, please explain the reason so that we can see the weight of the arguments. Just saying what you like or dislike may not be too influential, or superficial.

Let me remind you again that I only want one SUB variable, which would be a filter and an alternative number of stable places.

You will never lose your No. 8 spot or No. 20 spot, regardless of the number of people in front of you. The old system will also work. I'm not asking you to cancel it. But my addition will also give you additional tops, where in your SUB you can be in 1st place, celebrating a small victory. You will see yourself in this top on the 1st place in the same way as in 1.16.1 according to the Vanilla filter, Korbanoes remains the world champion. Just take a look. Then in the next SUB you will also compete, being in the top three on your SUB filter.

The only problem for implementing this is who will add a specific SAB to each old race? There are now more than 1,700 runners in the RSG 1.16+ table. This may be the main reason why supermoderators will abandon this idea. The fact is that we don't manage to check the races. Now there are about 1,100 races in the queue and this figure is steadily growing, despite all our limited efforts. Incredible verifiers appeared among us, who managed to check thousands of races in a short time. But even with these generals, our battle with content streams is losing. Against this background, it is difficult to force even me to edit thousands of races because I am a brake... ))

But I thought of a lazy solution to this problem. We don't need to edit everything now. Let the time pass when the active players themselves update their races with the new SUB variable. After half a year, it will be possible to filter the old races by the date before the variable is accepted. I don't think there will be enough of them then. This figure itself will be reduced to a few dozen, for example. I want to say that this will not require much effort from the moderators. Moderators will only need to create SUB lists once.

Edited by the author 3 years ago
Belarus

I think we can already talk about a new concept among speedrunners... It does not matter whether this system is accepted or not. For example, the 8th SUB of the world. In order not to be confused with the place that will remain 200th, you need to additionally call your result the 8th Sub of the world. To be precise, these are runs of less than 21 minutes, but more than 20 minutes. Now there are more than 50 people there. 50 people play at level 8 Sub of the world. I think the designation 8 Sub21 is appropriate. If you have to fix this, you will only need to change the numbers at the end. How do you like this additional concept? I try to take care of the existing values in the community. You won't lose your favorite thousandth places because of me. Simply, you will have a stable figure for determining your place by SUB. Everyone is already playing, considering their achievements of a certain SUB more interesting than a position in a large table. Even a beginner jumps with joy when he was able to overcome SUB 1h30 or SUB 50. Everyone has long considered their level using SUB, and not using the rating in the table. I suggest we just formalize it.

Singapore

If you want to move the runs already verified in src I’d suggest designating several trusted members of the community to help you. If a runner who already has a verified run on the board wants their run in your boards they can simply contact one of the helpers to add it in

Edited by the author 3 years ago
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Belarus

There is a problem. I clarified that it is not possible to make separate subs for each category. I.e. we will not be able to make 1 Sub 13, 2 Sub 14... This will not be appropriate for another category. You can only do Sub 2, Sub 3... Sub 13, Sub 14... This will allow you to see an additional rating inside the SUB, but it will not clearly say that this is the 1st or 2nd Sub of the world in this category. No one will alter the tables. In six months or less, everything will be as it should be.

Ohio, USA

I don’t wanna read all this. Can someone give me a tl;dr?

Ohio, USA

Ok nvm I read it anyways

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Belarus

I do not think that this will be accepted because few people are interested . Due to the fact that you can not make different Subs for different categories, you will not be able to make a convenient numbering of Sub places. Unfortunately, this loses its special meaning here. I'll do it in my entertainment leaderboard.

Belarus

If I can get people who know the src of this site to port all the races to Google tables, then I can get what Duncan talked about in our group. There will be an alternative page where you can see your alternative Sub number.

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