Proprosal of New Rules
7 years ago
British Columbia, Canada

Old Rules

Timing starts when pressing start at the title screen. Timing ends on final hit on Dedede. Using Config Mode is banned.

Allowed emulators: bgb and gambatte.

New Rules

Timing starts when pressing start at the title screen. Timing ends on final hit on Dedede. Any time under 12 minutes requires video proof Using Config Mode is banned.

Allowed emulators: bgb and gambatte.

Would like to hear feedback. Thank you

Portugal

So from my understanding, the only rule change is a video proof for sub 12 minute runs right? Currently there are 26 sub 12 runs on the leaderboard, 1 of them doesn't have a video proof. Will you remove it knowing its by thelevel99charmander? (Legit player to my knowledge). Also as far as I know, for console players, this game is not easy to capture nor every player has the chance to do it. This could give a whole other discussion topic but I think its also worth considering! Although I think its pretty easy to have a sub 12 run on KDL with proper grinding, there are only 26 sub 12 runs in a +200 players leaderboard, which is a low number that could very well justify a video proof for it indeed. Anyway, I do think that runs under 11:30 highly need a video evidence for sure since any time around that mark is a bit decent. In addition, any run under 11:25 should be streamed.

Edited by the author 7 years ago
TrUShade likes this
British Columbia, Canada

Yes, times that get super lower definitely need that video evidence. Which is why I feel like sub 12 should kind of be the split between not needing video proof, to needing video proof. It is a low enough time that you still need to put in a decent amount of attempts to get it. (Also a good example, look at SGDQ2016 where 3 runners, all with sub 12 times in PB's. Only one got under 12 mins). And yes I understand about the whole capturing is hard for console. I could see more people playing on emulators if they are really wanting that sub 12 time.

And unfortunately Charmander's run would be removed.

Problem with any run under 11:25 should be streamed, is that some people like doing offline attempts and only have local recordings of what they do. Should they be denied that run because they didn't stream that attempt, i believe not.

McBobX likes this
Colorado, USA

If you accepted the run before, you should leave it. It's not fair on him to not have known he needed a video for his run to qualify for the boards. I'd suggest grandfathering it in, and just say all future/new runs require video proof. (also it's 27 sub 12 runs we're looking at, a tied 26th place throws you off)

Edited by the author 7 years ago
crazeyawesome likes this
Portugal

Yes I agree with jumpyluff, this particular run should not be removed since it was already following the old rules. 26 or 27 runs makes no difference whatsoever for me in having a video proof. If we had 100 sub 12 runs though it would be close to 50% of the leaderboard and that yes would be a different number so my opinion remains the same, I think sub 12 runs should have a video proof. For the under 11:25 runs to be streamed matter, I know what you mean, I also like to do offline attempts myself although I don't do it for KDL anymore because I wouldn't feel pretty happy to have a 11:1x offline without anyone watching my attempts (although I've proven myself legit by streaming dozens of attempts on twitch) and I still could show my offstream recordings, the thing is that its easier for cheaters to splice runs offstream (not saying its impossible to do it live but its harder if you have to commit on doing attempts) but upon watching someone play you could have a general idea of what's going on and if its cheating or not. I sure wouldn't like to see a WR submission from a player that has never submitted a run before nor has streamed any attempts of KDL. This has happen on some other game before and turned out to be a cheater. This is just a suggestion, but 11:1x is quite the accomplishment in KDL and I think we should completly make sure its a completly legit run from a legit player.

Edited by the author 7 years ago
British Columbia, Canada

Well personally I didn't accept the run, but i understand.

And yeah when someone gets sub 12 without being around the community for long. I personally go through the video multiple times to see if someone is off or wrong (to me at least) and if i feel like something is off discuss with other mods and runners to see if they think something is fishy before acceptance.

This is why I wanted feedback first before trying to implement anything to the rules

Edited by the author 7 years ago
Tron_Javolta likes this
Wisconsin, USA

I think it's a pretty good rule change, but I also think charmander's run should be "grandfathered in" since it was before the rule change. He followed the rules that stood during his submission and it should stand because it was accepted before the new rules.

I think a timestamp on the new rules will clarify that if anyone gets in a hissy about that one run.

McBobX and TrUShade like this