Discussion: Removing Runs from Boards by User Request
6 years ago
United States

CriscoWild, I can't agree with a generalization about this site. This site has been as successful as it has been, because it's let individual communities do their own thing. There's been no attempt to take over and control everything.

United States

At the same time, though, there has been at least one case of site staff stepping in and overturning the community decision.

For both viewpoints.

That, to me, says that a concrete guideline for this should be implemented as a reasonable default that individual communities can decide to do differently... but when the community wants to leave a time up with no identifying information and someone on the staff sides with the guy who deleted an entire leaderboard I think that there's an issue.

United States

I know this is a double post, but another point occurred to me.

For the people who say that a time without a video is meaningless... what happens if a fraudulent copyright strike takes down the youtube upload? What if twitch glitches and loses the video on their servers? The video used to exist, just like with runs where the runner took down the video, and was verified as an actual run that took place and was correctly timed.

Should runs that are lost by no fault of the runner be invalidated as well? If not, why is having a time with a removed video any worse?

England

I fundamentally disagree with rules like this, mostly because I'm ardently against the culture in many communities of their leaderboards being "By the community, for the community".

A leaderboard is not a place for your little clique to share and compare your own times. It's a place for known existing times to be accurately documented. If you don't want your time in a game tracked, don't run the game. Your speedrunning PB is not your intellectual property, and you don't have any 'right' to demand that people don't share the information on it.

Loss of data/information is never a good thing for a leaderboard, and I'm loath to fulfill these requests when they come along. I will honour these requests when they pop up, but I personally disagree with them.

TuKéZu, Eggwink and 8 others like this
England

Double post, but:

[quote] I'd even go so far to say that people who don't have an account here at this point shouldn't have other people submitting for them, either - if they haven't joined by now, they might not ever do so. [/quote]

This is the stupidest fucking thing I've ever heard on this point of discussion. The logical conclusion of this is that if an entire community for a game just don't decide to make SRcom accounts, that game can't be tracked here. There have been instances where WR times HAVE been absent from boards because people actually believe this. Narcissa has had WR stats in Breath of the Wild, but they're not on the board, either because the mods just aren't doing their jobs, or she requested the times not be added and they complied.

Also, don't pretend your entire post isn't directed to me directly. If you have a problem, contact me directly rather than moan behind my back.

Eggwink, zewing, and Zachoholic like this
United States

@FurryWulfz, that's the point. If a person takes a video down, on purpose, that person is trying to be removed from boards.

Pennsylvania, USA

I agree with the mindset that if you don't want your time tracked, don't have the information public. No one really cares if the video is privated in a way that only 2 people in the world will ever see, but once the video is public knowledge then it must stay public. Why would you ever run a game and upload a video if you don't want someone from a leaderboard website to link to your run?

Valhalla

I think the point is that some people want EVERY run to be listed on SRC because people see the leaderboard as the definitive source for runs/WRs which is where I think it's all rather silly, but yeah zewing is right, why run a game and upload a video only to keep it from everyone? Point is, people are weird I guess, some people want nothing to do with the site, I see no issue with respecting that.

And the "then how do we show what WR is on the leaderboard?" problem isn't that big of a deal. Anybody that runs the game knows what the WR is, regardless of a leaderboard.

idk, I really don't care im hjust bored and drunk

United States

"Anybody that runs the game knows what the WR is, regardless of a leaderboard. "

This is simply not true, especially when the leaderboard doesn't reflect the actual record. Sure, some runners will know and pass on this information, but what about the people who don't interact with the community much? What if they searched for a video, and it's on Nicovideo and they only checked youtube? Twitch is awful for searching, and so many runs have their video there.

And then what about the people who want to start running a game, or started after the run was removed? How are they supposed to know, especially in smaller communities?

Hako likes this
Valhalla

I don't care what people outside of the community think the WR is. It really doesn't matter. I keep the cv1 leaderboards as up to date as I can and people still think the WR is 11:41, or 11:48 cause that's on SDA, or whatever they see on youtube.

Anybody actually running the game is probably apart of the community and knows wr regardless, or they'll find out soon enough.