Changes in the moderation team
6 years ago
Sweden

Just hold a vote and get this shit over with.

Essex, England

Yeah I said that but either noone saw my post, or they thought it was a bad idea so I just deleted it.

Latvia

Did you all spam 5 pages in less then 24h, i am impressed. LUL

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MizterConfuzing, Zachoholic and 2 others like this
Estonia

FingerQuick, Jolzi and 7 others like this
Massachusetts, USA

This is almost as bad as the people who say "Trump should be impeached for being a known misogynist and racist" even though his snide style of speech doesn't bar him from the position. DV says he would've fixed any leaderboard issues if he was alerted to them only after he's removed as a mod; before that, he only tried justifying being lazy. As far as I know, ryedawg has done just fine in the past couple of days as a mod of the leaderboard. I suggest everyone just suck it up and keep playing the games because any issues that there were before have been ironed out by ryedawg's actions as a mod. If he does anything objectionable, THEN you bring it up, NOT complain in response to losing your precious sword.

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Gaël, Gyoo and 2 others like this
United States

If I understanding this correctly, this controversy stems from miscommunication. Perhaps Ryedawg didn't make his concerns clear enough to the moderators. Maybe Gyoo changing the moderators without first contacting the mods was a bad idea. Who is right? That's for the runners to decide, but we need to clear up the reasoning for this in the first place.

Ryedawg's biggest concern was the accuracy of the times on the leaderboard. Timing methodology is certainly something that should be discussed in another thread. However, if there's people willing and able to moderate more effectively, especially if the current moderators are apathetic to doing so, then they should help moderate.[quote=darkviper88 in Discord]If you want time accuracy, and really care, you always have the video. You can check yourself[/quote]I literally just got done dealing with this exact problem in the Dead Space leaderboards. If the times are inaccurate, you KNOW they're inaccurate, and people have issues with that, the times need to be corrected. And don't tell me it's too much work, I've submitted over 2000 runs for other runners and use a custom calculator to ensure accuracy down to the frame that accounts for drift. If you would like to know my method, I'm happy to help.

What is grinding at me is how many people are accusing Ryedawg of trying to "usurp" the game from everyone, pointing how he hasn't ran in a while and is a "troll". The former doesn't disqualify someone from being an effective moderator and the latter can't be used without at least some evidence. And those trying to accuse Gyoo of having any bias in this is groundless accusations that's grasping for straws that don't exist. You should be ashamed of yourselves.

Honestly, I probably would have mostly agreed with darkviper88 about not being too concerned about ~2 seconds of inaccuracy for low ranking runs over 6 hours long. Still, if someone had actual concern I probably would have fixed him.

I must make this clear: I would have tried to contact the established moderators before changing them, but that wasn't my decision, nor was I aware of this issue until now. I'm inclined to give Ryedawg a chance: he's already done the work he wanted done and hasn't made any changes the runners are against besides simply being the moderator. If problems arise, bring them to staff's attention and he can be removed, but that's to be seen. For now, ToriksLV will be promoted to Super Mod. He may or may not have the most interest in moderating, but both parties seem to be favoring him and can arbitrate this if all else fails.

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39daph, MizterConfuzing and 6 others like this
California, USA

Shoutouts to ROMaster2 for (hopefully) solving this :D

New South Wales, Australia

ROMaster2 "Ryedawg's biggest concern was the accuracy of the times on the leaderboard" It took him two years to be concerned about literally anything to do with the game. When he notified the mods on this forum of ancient time inaccuracies, they were fixed on the same day. It even appears these times were brought forward as a "mod application" showing his end goal was simply to be moderator of these boards. He was rejected for this distinction and he made no further direct complaints. In this discussion any attempt at compromise where accuracy would be maintained, but he would not be mod, were simply rejected by Ryedawg. Accuracy was not his main concern or he would have been more amenable to these solutions.

"If the times are inaccurate, you KNOW they're inaccurate, and people have issues with that, the times need to be corrected" I mirrored your views in the exact same discord that quote is taken from. My point was that as long as the video exists, accuracy can always be maintained and corrected in time whenever errors are made. In a game this long, absolute accuracy simply can not be achieved because there are literally not enough hours in the day to watch every second of every run with the level of focus necessary to catch any possible breach. I had to reiterate this, about 7 times, in that discussion. For the 10th time, I never advocated for known errors to remain! This is one of the many lies that Ryedawg seemed to have told to gain his position.

"especially if the current moderators are apathetic to doing so" They were not notified. I wasn't even informed beyond the first forum post that there were problems. Ryedawg liked complaining in a general fashion on the GTA discord (which is not the place most discussion about the run is had) but he didn't direct any complaints to me, specific or otherwise. If I understand it correctly, he developed problems, made no attempt to have them corrected (real or otherwise), and had the mods removed because they were not corrected.

"[pointing how he hasn't ran in a while] The former doesn't disqualify someone from being an effective moderator" How can a person be able to render judgement on both rule changes and the development of new runs without having sufficient knowledge of the game? He was never a dedicated runner and has always been apathetic towards the game. Gyoo stepped in to make it so a person the runners did not want to lead must be included in all discussions revolving around the game. Who is he to deserve equal voice in how this game is run? If it were not for your small change here, Ryedawg would have been the first and last word for how this game is run. How can knowledge of the game and run NOT be required to have that role?

"[Troll] the latter can't be used without at least some evidence" I don't think there is a single person here, who has been in the GTA community for a significant amount of time, that does not know Ryedawg is a troll. He profile is animated Danny Devito Doritoes ffs, its practically a calling card. No one here has denied this, we simply disagree how relevant it is. Are you asking that we prove Ryedawg is a troll in order for him to no longer be mod?

"Shoutouts to ROMaster2 for (hopefully) solving this" How is this a solution? What changed exactly? Ryedawg did wrong, Gyoo mishandled the situation as ROMaster notes, and yet nothing was reversed. No debate was had, no vote, no discussion, no democracy. Ryedawg cheated his way onto the leaderboards by both misrepresenting Torik's motivation, lying about about me personally about a dozen times, and claiming overall things about this board that were simply untrue. Justice has not prevailed here. There were dozens of solutions that were far better than "Keep Ryedawg in the exact same position he was wrongly given before". At least make him a mod under Toriks for pete's sake.

"I'm inclined to give Ryedawg a chance: he's already done the work he wanted done" I ask again. If the changes were exclusively what he wanted, what has he done to be deserving of a chance? More over, to be elevated above literally everyone involved in this speed game bar Toriks? That is a major distinction given to a person for a day's work that could have been achieved by anyone who wanted that ranking. As note previously, had you written "We will give supermod if someone watches the start and ends of the run videos currently on the site", I suspect you would have found more supermods. I wasn't given that offer and I would have taken it. I was brought on for a specific purpose, I was then removed from that role for not doing things I was never asked to do. I was not directly notified of any additional responsibilities I was to take up. I was not consulted on any changes. How is this just?

I agree with your initial statement: "That's for the runners to decide" I think this is ALL for the runners to decide. Why has the decision been taken out of our hands? It cannot be suggested we were unable to reach a conclusion on our own because that opportunity was never given.

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BustaCarl, NateDaMartian, and TKM like this
United States

[quote]I think this is ALL for the runners to decide. Why has the decision been taken out of our hands?[/quote]That's the main reason why I promoted Toriks to super, so he can add more moderators, including the old ones as necessary.

I did want to make some kind of poll, but it's difficult to make one that isn't public. I guess it'll work anyway. Use the like system on this thread to vote for the outcome:

https://www.speedrun.com/gtav/thread/jdclr

The voting is public but at least we'll know who is and isn't a runner. You CAN vote on more than one option. The post with the most votes within a least 12 hours will decide the outcome. The votes can't be manipulated and if something happens to the posts I'll know.

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New South Wales, Australia

Can I add a fourth option for me, Toriks and Dates to be supermod? We three kept this game alive when no one cared enough for it.

Runners as in, submitted to the GTA V leaderboards in the last year?

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United States

That would be redundant since Super Mods can make new Super Mods.

New South Wales, Australia

It would show that I do not desire sole power and will give those who dislike me the confidence that I will not have it. I could say "I will add them immediately" until I am blue in the face, some won't be convinced. Mainly non-runners..but the point remains.

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United States

Well alright.

Edit: I should have kept the first post separate but you CAN vote on more than one post. Example: If you're just interested in having darkviper88 back as moderator like all but the first post.

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New South Wales, Australia

Thank you.

I will also just note that in checking who is and is not a runner, the most popular category 'Beat the Jewel Store Job' is a miscellaneous category.

United States

Removed the redundant viper post as it had no votes and they were all going to the 4th post anyway.

Estonia

tfw vipers nut huggers are voting on a poll when he had a pork sword for months and did nothing to benefit the credentials of the leaderboards http://i.imgur.com/hcctDAX.png

United States

If that's what the majority of the runners want, then I don't see the problem.

United States

If a few seconds simply don’t matter because the run is so long, then what the fuck is the point of developing strats that save a second, or slightly a few frames. Saying, “A second or two on an ancient run doesn’t matter” is effectively saying that not only does speedrunning not matter, but the responsibility of preserving recorded runs does not matter. This is not about GTAV, or Rye, or DV for me. It is about the integrity of the GTA community doing the right thing. I remember when the start time for Vice City was changed, and without question the moderators of VC adjusted previous runs to reflect that change. It was a change that was so minimal and didn’t change ranking or position on the boards, but it was necessary because of the accuracy and integrity of the runs.

Was it tedious to do such a thing? Sure. However, that is the job of the moderators and frankly the expectation of standard that the rest of the community holds moderators to. I don’t give a shit who gets a sword next to their name and can flex their powerful dick on a speedrunning website so long as they do it with the same attention to detail and integrity that other mods in the GTA community has a whole would do.

This entire thing has devolved into complaining that, “No one has done the grind, like I have done! They don’t deserve it!” Gee, that sounds awfully familiar.

New South Wales, Australia

While most of what you say is either a gross simplification or simply wrong, but are you honestly saying that you believe "doing the right thing" consists of is preventing the runners of this game from actually voting for the mods? You believe your view of what is "right" literally trumps any idea of democracy or people's just general right to have a fair say? Not the runners, but YOU should decide? I can not help but disagree. I have tried to explain your misunderstandings previously, it is falling on deaf ears.

Forgive me, I could say more but I need to go run GTA V.

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Sunnyy, TKM and 2 others like this
United States

didnt say shit about the voting but ok your right. thats you mr. right

[quote=JOEdrinksBEER]I don’t give a shit who gets a sword next to their name[/quote]

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