I ran the full game 9 months ago, when the Monolith download page was https://team-d-13.itch.io/monolith . At that time, that exact version of the game was the latest and it was not called "Monolith Demo", but just "Monolith". Now that it's considered a demo, the link to the Monolith demo needs to be updated in its category's rules since the URL has since been changed to https://team-d-13.itch.io/monolithdemo . I can't do that now that I'm not a mod.
Also, what if I had decided to run it considering the new flurry of activity? I intended to after your submission, Punchy. The only reason I wasn't running was because it seemed like interest in speedrunning the game was dead, as nobody had submitted anything or even contacted me about it.
Demo is not full game. It was the only release of the game at the time but the circumstances have changed dramatically in the year or so you've spent ignoring it completely
A full game now exists, and you don't run it and the people who do would very much like to use that board. It's really straightforward.
Edit: intent is meaningless. Actually do runs.
People may lose interest in speedrunning a specific game, I don't think they should be removed as a mod just because of that. If he does a good job, he deserves to be a mod.
And I know Punchy says hes not a good mod, I didn't see much prove except a Google Doc, only admins (and maybe full mods) can show how much Buju did as a moderator.
Again, he didn't lose interest. He never ran full game to begin with.
Seriously that's like four people now who don't seem to grok that.
I definitely approve most about the way the leaderboards were changed, at least. There are some minor things I still take issue with, but I'd have been willing to compromise. I hadn't seen BulletNick's excellently-constructed external site until reading Punchy's post here and I didn't trust Punchy with moderation privileges due to his attitude toward me and lack of constructive discussion. In the end, I'm glad Punchy and BulletNick were made to be mods though. It was just a matter of trust that I didn't immediately make them mods. With constructive discussion and a normal resolution, it would have happened. However, being stripped despite actively working on the boards didn't make sense to me.
"Again, he didn't lose interest. He never ran full game to begin with."
When I ran the full game, that's what it was: the entire game that existed. There were 3 floors and when the third boss was defeated, the game ended. There was no 4th floor and it seemed useful to start a leaderboard for it. I waited a couple months with no submissions and the devs of the game uninterested in making the game work well for speedrunning at the time (versioning, in particular, while adding tons of new major features like new floors), then stopped following the Discord community for it. I did lose interest at that time. Also, I considered it unproductive to add a new leaderboard while the game was in heavy development with no versioning system and I was the only person interested in speedrunning it. Now that that's not the case, I'm very enthusiastic about it.
Punchy, we understand what you are trying to say, but at the time, the version he ran WAS the full game. even if it was changed afterwards he still ran what was the full game, just a past version of it. that should in no way warrant you to be so rude as to say he isn't taking something like this seriously, he stated that he planned to do runs, and he stated he was going to try and fix the boards. but you had no patience and just went straight to the admins.
If the demo is half the game then I don't see why it's relevant. People that speedrun Super Mario Bros. Any% technically run less than half of the game but I don't think you would bring that up as a reason to de-mod. We are obviously reading it but it doesn't mean it holds much merit because he still had completed speed runs of a version of the game that is still available for speed running and is still even a category on the boards.
I just want to say here that I don't like Punchy's "aggresive" posts, if I was a mod and you asked me like that, I probably wouldn't mod you either so I can totally understand Buju there.
I don't know what constructive discussion you wanted. I tried talking to you first and you dismissed "runners should run their boards" out of hand which is an impossible thing to discuss. I can't discourse if you're immune to basic speedrun logic. You were absolutely not open to adding anyone, that's a lie straight up.
Failing that didn't really leave me with too many other options other than to go over your head.
@Twan_Jones If you can play a game from the start until the end of the FULL game then it is a full game. If you play a demo that didnt let you finish the FULL game then it is not the same thing. SMB any% finish the full game using warps, a Demo doesnt.
"If he hasn't ran the full game and only a demo I don't see why that's a reason to demod"
This is just an impossibly stupid take on face value. Imagine any other game being moderated solely by someone who only ran half of it.
Ok, this discussion leads to nothing! Either the Monolith mods can agree on something (which I doubt) or we need to see actual prove of the conversation, it doesn't need to be public but at least a site staff should see it.
@blueYOSHI i dont think any more actions will be taken here, changes were already made
The conversation doesn't even matter?? People who run the full game should be able to mod their board. Someone who has only ran half shouldn't be the sole mod for incredibly obvious reasons. It's that simple.
No one has asked for mods to be removed, they are simply arguing for the fact that Buju perhaps shouldn't have been demodded. There's substantial evidence that he made changes to the board a few days before being removed as a mod and if you've read the previous history of the thread that usually is a condition for keeping mods active on a game. So far the only real basis for your argument is that he hasn't ran the full game, but for me he still has run a category that exists for said game and when that element of your argument is removed the only thing left here is negative and condescending comments, ones that don't necessarily contain the maturity I would think a mod to have when the thread should be for simple civil discussion, not calling people stupid and being rude to people you have other wise never had any contact with.
"but for me he still has run a category that exists for said game"
A category that does not complete the full game, and could be argued to be of a different game entirely, since it's not a release build of the game. Stop ignoring this part of the argument. It doesn't go away because you don't like it. "For me" doesn't somehow alter reality, full game is full game, he hasn't ran it.
" they are simply arguing for the fact that Buju perhaps shouldn't have been demodded."
Maybe, I didn't ask for him to remove himself, I asked for him to mod me so I could set the board up for full game several months overdue. He stubbornly refused while in the same breath making a bunch of completely insane demands for run verification (like hashing your .exe???), so I took a different approach. If he hadn't decided to be weird about it, there would not have been a problem. That's not exactly my fault.
"and when that element of your argument is removed "
Yes, if you ignore the large overwhelming core of my argument for no good reason, you are in fact left with sarcasm over how incredibly bad I think your argument is. Good observation.
a lot of you are basically just banging on the "man you're rude" in lieu of an actual argument. Whether or not you think I'm an asshole doesn't really have anything to do with the point of the discussion.
Furthermore, whether or not you think my tone makes me suitable for moderating Monolith is irrelevant as all hell unless you actually run Monolith. I ran this past the Monolith community discord before making these posts and that group of people, the group of people actually populating the leaderboard with runs. Were completely happy and even encouraged me to take it over. I'm concerned with the actual community, not the bad takes of people in this thread.
[quote]as nobody had submitted anything or even contacted me about it.[/quote]
Bullshit.
SIX.
MONTHS.
Frankly, you're lucky that guy didn't make the request in all the time you kept him waiting.
