endgame categories
5 years ago
England

after reading this thread: https://www.speedrun.com/dq9/thread/dk3fl

It got me thinking about some categories, specifically categories that start after corvus - maybe an "all dungeons" category for killing all 12 dungeon bosses + all legacy bosses. What do people think about this, is it reasonable?

Canada

This brings a few questions: what would the consensus be on the starting stats and gear? How can you prove that your savefile comes from a legitimately finished game as opposed to having it heavily edited? This is not a problem when your entire footage shows your game from start to finish, but when you start from a very specific point in the game, I can see the legitimacy of a given savefile being difficult to prove.

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England

You make a pretty reasonable point about the starting stats and gear, so I suggest there are no limits placed on those, but rather limit use of items in your bag - preventing use of 99yggdrasil dew, elfin elixir, etc. - that way even if there are savefile edits, they can't have an unfair advantage

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i mean if its endgame you should not need yggdrasil dews in the speedrun. Still depends on the amount of grind you put into the game

England

On the matter of yggdrasil dew: its less the fact that you need them, its more that if i could use yggdrasil dew for a speedrun, then i would retrain my priest up to a 99 warrior/gladiator instead of the healing benefits and just use yggdrasil dew every time i approach getting wiped out.

Also a slightly larger issue that I hadn't thought about - some of the legacy bosses are only obtainable through DLC quests, so do we exclude them from the category, or make have two subcategories for with/without the DLC legacy bosses?

came around a big problem for some kind of that run since a friend of mine and i discovered a moding tool which is capable of generating a save file with preset locations on grottos. For example you could give yourself the legacy boss grottos all at one location. (or close to each other)

England

@s8n i'm assuming that only works for emulators? If so, we could ban emulators for this category. Yes it increases the barrier for entry, but you can get a copy of DQIX for £10 and a DSI to run it for £25 (and it can be run on a 3DS for people who have that), and it will massively help stop cheaters

@Cursed1701 Im not sure if injecting saves with a cheat modul works, but you could definitly use that with an r4 card on an regular ds system. If you could inject save data with an cheat modul there is actually no way to tell if somebody used that.

MarthSR likes this
Canada

@s8n I can confirm that you can indeed inject edited saves on a r4 card. This actually plagued the DQMJ online mode back in the days.

naxy likes this
England

@s8n maybe we make it that you have to include a video that includes some play from the run and then showing the cartridge - just shot with a webcam/phone, to confirm it is a DQIX cartridge?

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