Hello
I am at present there speed run on resident evil 7console, and I saw that the record was beaten by a Japanese while the European version / American is different from the Japanese version which is 30 assist neighborhood faster at the level of the key snake.
Did you know? Record with Japanese version should it not be separated of other record? Because on other version it is impossible to ratrapper this time(weather) I have I even to try several resumed(taken back) by putting games(sets) in Japanese (language(tongue) + written) and even put my Ps4 in Japanese nothing changes... !
I joins(contacts) you with a link showing the differences between American version and Japanese version! I remain entirely at your disposal, and took you d to approve my best regards :). :
PS: to sadden for my English, I am French and I am not very talented lol
Agreed, unless it comes down to two records of the same time and one is the Japanese copy, then we might have to think about something; but as it stands nobody using the Japanese copy has claimed a record within 15 seconds of a previous one. Not in top 10s, anyway.
Personally I feel, although the PC version is ridiculous to acquire, so I speak only in the case of console here, having Japanese be a separate category seems silly.
Japanese versions are always quicker through totally trivial means alone. This is the case in a lot of games, yet in those cases you'll find Japanese is rarely a separated category. There's also a lot of other totally trivial means through which a runner, on console, can acquire means of being faster. SSD, the newer console (PS4 Pro, XB1 Scorpio), yet these are, once again, rarely, if ever separated categories. The fastest version is the fastest version, and there doesn't need to be European WRs, US WRs and Japanese WRs.
PC, on the other hand, is just demonstrating how a retarded change in itself can affect the game. It's bad enough Capcom didn't simply add an option for other versions to disable gore to a degree that acted in the same manner as the censorship, but they also made that particular version stupid to acquire.
People on console, no real excuse to demand this. Play-asia exists and can be used to acquire the digital copy or physical copy easily. People on PC, I understand.
Hello everybody! Thank you for your answers! After one hard translation of everybody, I am to sadden but the it is completely illogical if one could put it in the level with the languages I would say nothing!
I do not think that you have ran(roamed) games(sets) on console, and I have to re-verify the passage of the snake key on hard console 22 assist except(off) travel(movement). With the Japanese version of games(sets) (not language nor counts them in Japanese) it makes him(it) in 2/3 assist... And what to cross(spend) goes you he(it) it when Japanese am going to play on pc? And that he(it) is going to beat the times(weathers) of Xerian of 2/3 second with 20 second early(ahead) of the beginning?Bah I think that the community has this moment really risk to grumble...
The only way(means) to put it has level is to acquire(to buy back) an other one games(sets) in Japanese version? I think not whether it is a solution? Thus especially that at the level of the times of I am to move closer to him has 11 seconds ... the it is clearly the snake key which favors him (I am submit my last one run)
Later I find that one can it's a pity seen that other competitor has games(sets) equal, cannot catch up him(it) just of has a version of games(sets)...
Long life in the site! Greeting distinguished =) Jig
I also feel like the Japanese shouldn't have there own category but something does need to be done about it since everyone cannot obtain a Japanese Censored version/Japanese PS4... Say for example In REMASTER everyone can change there language to Japanese to make the text scroll faster it was an easy way to play on an even field, yes some people did and did not have SSD's but you could get one through the means of what $50 compared to purchasing JAP RE7 and JAP PS4 + shipping which would be god knows what. Either the mods need to add time to the runs for the Japanese when verifying them to make up for the 11-15 seconds time gain the Japanese get or minus that time for same time for everyone else I feel like adding time to there run would be the best soulution since only a few Japanese are seriously running the game ATM
And eventually someone will get get within 15 seconds of that time I'll be trying once I get back home from Mardi Gras so idk why wait and brush off the problem rather than just finding a good solution I feel like a lot of people are discouraged to even run NG+ EASY since theres no way they can compete with that, the category is dead atm same thing will happen to XERIAN once a serious Japanese player decides to play on PC and pretty much every other category, you guys have a blessed Sunday and Godspeed on the runs
"since everyone cannot obtain a Japanese Censored version"
It's like 40 dollars on play-asia or something if you're on console.
we're trying to work out a solution for PC, but splitting it into a category seems like a hasty move. And really, if a japanese person beats the record a bit with the censored version...so what? Making an entire category for 15 seconds seems kinda daft and also sort of a mild fuck you to the Japanese.
"I feel like a lot of people are discouraged to even run NG+ EASY"
it is the most ran video game category on the entire website nobody is discouraged
"the category is dead atm "
¤5 new runs posted today alone¤
Please think before you write things. It's the most active thing on the entire website. It literally could not be any less dead.
People aren't discouraged to run NG+ Easy. If they were, I wouldn't have logged in yesterday after 20 odd hours and been hit with 35+ notifications of newly submitted runs when 20 hours prior there was none.
If you're on console just buy it off Play-Asia, because it's unlikely for Japanese to be separated considering the time difference is only 15 seconds. A lot of the older RE games have in excess of 30+ seconds between English > Japanese because of the faster text and not a single one of those games has Japanese separated.
You don't need to buy a Japanese PS4, because PS4 games are region-free. A Japanese disc will work on an American console. For those who don't want to ship, you can make a Japanese account in under 2 minutes, buy digital currency off Play-Asia and literally be downloading the game in less than an hour.
We're not gonna arbitrarily add time to the Japanese runs, because that would be silly. I agree, censorship is a dumb means of having Japanese be faster, but so is text scrolling in the older games when text could've just been instant.
PC is the only platform where this is a problem, because buying that version is legitimately a problem. Console is doing the same thing speedrunners have always done, which is putting the dimes in if you're serious and want the top time.
also ps4s are region free, you just need the disc, you don't need a japanese ps4.
edit: fucking post editing ninja
I'm not saying the category is dead as in no one is uploading times it's simply dead because only the Japanese/ someone who has a Japanese VERSION can get a WR record at this moment in time. Also what I meant for being people being discouraged except for the top 5 players maybe... is that no everyone wants to spend another $40-60 to buy a game they already own to be able to even "compete" (should've worded it different) in older resident evils all you needed to do was change your language to get faster text scroll which costed how much money... none. You guys only mentioned PS4 being able to obtain the Japanese version what about Xbox that's literally singleing out half of the console players. Also I already mentioned the fact older RE's like remaster could be EVEN due to changing your dialogue to Japanese and I already agreed that the category shouldn't be split into two I was just throwing ideas out for making it as fair as possible without giving up a kidney to compete but if you say Xbox can also get it off of play Asia than I guess that's the problem solved for me I'm just looking out for everyone else.
And trust me the console category is very dead with it being locked into a Japanese WR right now, I wasn't talking about the population of the game I know it's the most "popular" resident evil on this website.
xbox can change the store region and download it off that, it's still pretty easy
and console category is the /third/ most active category on the website. It's still pretty much entirely the opposite of "not dead". Tryin to call it dead sorta flies totally in the face of the overwhelming statistical evidence to the contrary.
"without giving up a kidney to compete"
If you're selling your kidneys for sixty dollars American, you are getting ripped off.
"In older Resident Evils all you had to do was change your language."
Except in RE1, RE2, RE3, Code: Veronica, Gamecube version of REmake, Gamecube version of RE0, RE1 on the Nintendo DS, RE4.
Not to mention most of those games also had actual gameplay related changes between US/JPN, such as the main character having a larger health pool, or enemies dealing less damage. And none of the above have versions separated.
The only RE games you're referencing with the 'change language' statement are the HD Remasters of REmake and RE0.
Dude when I say the category is dead I'm in no way shape or form talking about the population or how many runs you have to verify on this game. When you lock WR Attempts into only THREE players (the only three people I know that have the JAP version are the three Japanese players that are in the top 20 that play this game seriously) that is very much a dead category because out of the 110+ runs on NG+ Easy Console how many can even TRY to get WR??? (Like I said for me I'm not to bothered I'll buy the Japanese version and I'm sure the other top 5 players will as well I'm just looking out for the other 99% of people running this game at the moment)
I'm sure you could've at least censed some exaggerated sarcasm with the whole kidney thing...
And furry yes you are correct I really am only mentioning RE0 and remaster since I'm not too familiar with the details of the speedruns of older resident evils and GameCube versions since ive never played RE on GameCube. I'm really only trying to make stuff fair for this game since I'm running it and know a lot of people who run it. Maybe the people who were running those games should've voiced their opinions more I don't know, It feels like every time someone even tries to make stuff fair they just get completely shutdown by a barrage of mods like how me and that French guy are.
WR being only possible on a specific regional version of the game is nothing particularly new to speedrunning. It doesn't generally stop 99% of the people who play.
e; i'm not a mod of this game
Well maybe I'm just too new too speedruning still doesn't really make sense since you mods have the power to make stuff fair for everyone idk why the developer changes in the game for Japanese regions make guys bend to the Japanese/1 region when everyone else from the world make up 90% of the population of the leaderboards. idk how WR being locked into one region being an old thing of speed running justifys it still, and again I know people will still play my point was how many are still going to go for WR and then when they find out they have to chuck out another $60 i bet most will say never mind as for they already own the game and maybe can't afford to buy the same game they own already because now instead of $60 for RE7 it's now $120 and + the dlc anyway have a nice day guys GL to you all on the runs
If the other 99% aren't even getting close to world record or even top 5, then they dont need to worry about that 15 seconds the japenese version gives you. When they get to top 5, they can get the japanese version. It's just one of those things about running. Some games require special equipment like anti ghosting keyboards and free scroll mice on PC, they don't separate the category they just tell you to buy the equipment if you want to compete.
My PC is shit. When i run and record I lag, I lose some time sure but I've still got the WR. If it came down to two seconds I lost due to lag due to my equipment and someone beat my record by two seconds I wouldn't have a leg to stand on asking for a category of "Runs made using less than recommended game specs making you lose a few seconds" it'd be up to me to buy better PC parts. The japanese version is just a different version of one of the equipment pieces used to run the game; if you want to compete, get it.
Edit: I'd like to compare this to Outbreak, I've no idea if outbreak is actually affected by loading times, but if you run on PS2 or PC emu, your game runs slower than if you use a PS2 with an SSD with the game on it. We haven't separated the categories, it's just something thats part of the running.
Well, I waited to see how this would develop before i said anything but there's no way i can keep quiet now.
You say this has happened in the past and also listed a bunch of the RE series that wasn't separated, which is fair enough but the latest one on that list is RE1 on the DS in 2006 i think. This is 2017, i'm sure there is an easier way than forcing the majority of the console playerbase to buy a different version of the game they've already paid for and played.
And the whole argument of if ones serious they'll get the Japanese version is silly to me, it isn't about buying a game for a record. It's about ensuring that it's a level playing field for everyone across the board. I can only say so much though.
And i must say the fact Gilgamesh is on vacation and still looking out for the community is pretty awesome
