Little Time Savers
6 years ago
Canada

I wanted to open this thread to see if anyone has looked into little time savers. One of the first ones I'm wondering about is holding Triangle during Fast Forward. I know it makes it a little harder to hit X, but I've also noticed that it removes the "Click" sound when it speeds through the text. Is it a little faster? Or does it just remove the sound effect? That said, I do know that mashing X while holding triangle does speed up text-boxes you can't fast forward through.

Canada

In regards to this subject. I'm looking into social links (to make things go faster), and I am curious if anyone knows the actual percentage rating of Ryuji's Instant Kill Skill (Unlocked at Confidant Level 7), and if it's worth getting, or if it causes more trouble then it's worth. I can see it being useful in order to avoid encounters, but if the percentage is too high, it seems that it may also interfere with desired encounters (to get persona's or a routed battle to gain certain levels). Or is it strictly random?

United Kingdom

For most encounters, you can usually just dodge them. Dodging them in the car is very easy, in actual dungeons it can be tricky but it'll be faster than Ryuji's skill.

It's based on low-level shadows. Shadows that are higher level than you or equal won't be affected by Ryuji's mask skill.

Edited by the author 6 years ago
johnnydimitri likes this
Germany

Don't get me wrong, but by the looks of it, you haven't actually looked at the current run(s). Chariot rank 7 is 100% useless as you don't actually fight random stuff past the second palace. Really the only exception is the anubis and Isis + Lamia in the pyramid, of which you actually want to get the EXP from Anubis and wouldn't be able to insta kill the other group anyways.

Edited by the author 6 years ago
johnnydimitri likes this
Philippines

Insta-kill is about 6-7 seconds slower than sneaking. Might as well perfect the art of sneaking.

Pressing triangle during fast forward seems to do nothing, but it does wonders for skipping dialog without FFWD.

When moving between places, you can already move MC before the screen fades in (i.e. fast travel to Leblanc, point joystick to around 355 degrees - even if the screen is still loading; on screen display, MC is almost at the door).

Philippines

Is it faster to get Takemi and Iwai to rank 1 instead of skipping Morgana's nagging messages? (Although I think Morgana will nag about something else...)

I'm still in my practice runs (NG+), and I'm stuck at high-14h. I need to find more time savers (aside from running neater palace runs).

Pressing triangle during dialog seemed to improve my time by 2%.

United Kingdom

A lot of the time between the NG+ runs on there for comes from the Palaces. Nev's NG+ palaces are really clean. As an example, he saves like ... I think 6 minutes in Kamoshida's palace alone over the 2nd place run, and Kamoshida's is arguably one of the easier palaces in terms of dodging shadows. 6 minutes alone in one palace is a lot of time on NG+ because generally any significant mistake is gonna cost you in the long run.

His run also has the more optimal fights. Some of the other runs spent a lot of unnecessary turns during fights, particularly the later ones and did ineffective strategies.

Pressing Triangle shouldn't really do anything during cutscenes where you're using the skip function but holding triangle and mashing X makes you able to get through non-skippable dialogue very fast. Much faster than simply pressing either Triangle or X alone.

Edited by the author 5 years ago
johnnydimitri likes this
Philippines

I got my NG+ run down to 14h 9m. I may have to skip the romance option to get the time to a high-13h, plus make a cleaner run around the palaces. The problem I had was Futaba rarely did a Mementos floor scan. I got less than five only. Is there a way to improve the chances of getting a floor scan?

United Kingdom

The floor scan is RNG as far as I'm aware, but most players will go up/down floors repeatedly until Futaba scans the floor, on the lower/last areas of Mementos.

For example,

Go to 5f, Futaba doesn't scan the floor Go up to 4f Go back down to 5f

And it'll give her another chance to scan. Rinse and repeat as needed.

Edited by the author 5 years ago
Jnry3 likes this
Germany

Mementos scan also can't proc on a freshly visited floor. Meaning if you visit 5F for the first time it will never proc mementos scan, ever. If you go back up to 4F, then down to 5F again it can proc.

Jnry3 likes this
Philippines

NG+ practice time is now down to 13:36:44.80.

From my earlier trials, Mementos scan is faster by approx. 1 minute compared to running down through all floors. The time might be offset if the confidant relationship with Futaba is not developed (can save around 1m 30s). Note that time also includes unwanted encounters. If the descent can be done clean, then a manual descent might be faster (but more stressful).

United Kingdom

It'd probably be worth filming a 'clean' mementos scan run and a clean runthrough of mementos with no scan at some point to get a better idea of the timesave.

As Neviutz had told me more recently, it's possibly better to only bother with Mementos Scan for the very last area. Maybe 2nd last and last if you can get lucky with the procs.

I haven't done NG+ yet myself, but I plan to fairly soon once I can stop procrastinating setting up the file. I'll probably have a go at timing myself eventually. It's potentially possible due to the loads variating that Mementos Scan is overall worth less the slower your method of loading becomes (5400rpm HDD, 7200rpm HDD, SSD, etc) due to it being excessively reloading areas.

Edited by the author 5 years ago
Philippines

Some observations over the past few weeks:

  1. When firing MC's pistol, there is a specific pulse for X. Too fast, and it won't register.
  2. When a single opponent is down to 1 hit point, the fastest way to finish is by firing a gun.
  3. Running at 720p video resolution seems to be faster than 1080p or higher resolution (from Start of NG+ to April 18, or the 1st Mission Start, using the same technique, PS4 Pro with Boost Mode On, 720p SSD time was 59m 40s, while 1080p SSD time was 1h 0m 43s; old time with 1080p 5400rpm HDD was 1h 2m 46s).

Are there other system tweaks that can improve run time?

Germany
  1. You can just hold the shoot button.
  2. Can't exactly generalize this There's a couple factors that go into this.
  3. It's not faster or slower, you probably just made more "mistakes" in one of them that led to it being a different time. If you wanna test loading differences in any kind of scenario, using an hour long chapter and saying "this is faster/slower" doesn't exactly work. If you wanna test those things, you gotta take video recordings and/or work with actual frame data.

Also, don't get me wrong, but SSDs, PS4 Pros, and all those things don't save nearly as much time as simply playing well.

Jnry3 likes this
United Kingdom

PS4 games have a locked internal render resolution, so it doesn't matter what the output on your system is set to the game will always render at a specific resolution. All you're doing is downscaling the native resolution from 1080p to 720p, but the game is still running natively at 1080p. It's not the same process as choosing a smaller resolution on PC. Consoles don't work that way.

Similarly, Boost Mode for Persona 5 does nothing. For Boost Mode to come into effect the game needs a patch specific to taking advantage of Boost Mode and it only directly affects framerate (like uncapped, 60fps, etc), not loads and the like.

For the most part, your earlier times were just not executed that well it seems. I can't see the videos obviously, but my current New Game run beat the "1h 2m 46s" time by a lot and almost beat the "1h 0m 43s" losing by only 30 seconds, using New Game > Mission Start timing, and that run was done on an original PS4 with the stock HDD.

Granted the SSD does help but you should be cutting closer to a low 58 in NG+ for mission start with the setup you have right now.

Edited by the author 5 years ago
Jnry3 likes this
Philippines

I'll try recording the difference (if any) between 720p and 1080p, at least for the opening sequence only (first 5 minutes). I'll post my findings here later. Now, I'm thinking if using Remote Play for recording affects performance. I should measure that as well.

United Kingdom

Remote Play shouldn't affect performance of the game itself. The quality of the video and the framerate might look worse but that's only down to what you're seeing on the monitor, the actual performance of the PS4 isn't affected at all.

To use an example to better explain what I mean. If I used remote play on bad internet to stream to my PC and the gameplay was running at half the framerate / looked like mush it doesn't mean the PS4 is actually running the game at 15fps, it would just mean my internet connection isn't powerful enough to handle streaming the 30fps video at 720p clearly. Even over remote play it's still playing at 30fps locked and performing just fine, but what you're seeing on your PC is dependent on your connection as thats what game streaming is.

That being said, getting frame data off remote play would be a lot more difficult because the screen quality is directly tied to your connection.

Edited by the author 5 years ago
Jnry3 likes this
Philippines

Liv, you're right. Looks like the screen resolution does not affect performance.

Here is some test footage (recorded using Remote Play at 540p): 720p - 1080p - 2160p -

All times from loading a NG+ save to the escape cinematic was at 1:53.7x, with an error of about +/-0.07 or so between tests. Then again, the sample size is very small.

I checked a practice run (done at 720p), and the escape cinematic started at 1:53.7x (sample at ).

Looks like I need more practice. And thanks for all the help so far!

...and I checked Liv's NG+ run (congratulations, by the way!) and time from start to escape cinematic was 1:55.xx; however, Liv started the timer on confirming loading of the save game (versus me who started time at "Load completed"), so it's somewhat the same time.

Edited by the author 5 years ago
Philippines

Here is a time cost table (got it from practice footage; rounded to the nearest second):

2:12 - time needed to enable slack time (Temperance rank 1) 0:30 - slack time (x5, so 2:30 total) 1:20 - time needed to enable 6% alert (Devil rank 1); standard is 15% alert 0:26 - time needed to buy 3x Iron Sand at Akihabara 0:16 - time needed to buy stuff from the old man at Yongenjaya 0:18 - time needed to buy stuff from the evening flower shop in Shinjuku 0:40 - for Hermit rank 2 (Mementos scan)

Philippines
  • FFWD button - save time by hitting it on the spot when it appears.
  • Menu - predictive cursor movement saves time... lots of it when it stacks up.
  • Fast Travel - same as Menu.
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