Looking at https://www.speedrun.com/sm3dw_bf/run/y42jw8qm , my Splicing Senses went wild. The setup of the timer concealing the coins and powerups makes me deeply concerned.

Was there a raw feed I don't know about? Or something else? Because, as far as I'm concerned, a run that could easily be spliced is deeply concerning.

To be clear: I'm not directly accusing the runner, I'm saying that concealing that much of the screen should be grounds for rejection on its own after the whole Celeste situation spelled out here:

Is there something I'm missing here?

dude vexom has been getting good times in both bf categories for a while now using realistic strats/routes n such no fucking shot that he would actually be cheating

also with a game like this it would be really easy to just watch through the run and see which powerups the player is getting n see if it would match up if we had any suspicions of someone splicing for items

Zennan: Your points are both worthless canards.

First: You misunderstand the point of splicing. The point is to mix and match fast segments so that you get a "perfect" run, not so that you can get extra items.

Second: I'm not interested in whether or not this particular run was spliced, just that this screen setup leaves a lot of room open for splicing, which is not a good look. The run should have been rejected on the basis of that potential alone, unless there's something I'm missing besides "but he's a good guy!", because plenty of "good guys" have gotten tired of the grind and spliced up a fake run in the past.

I'll accept "there's an alternate video of the run that doesn't include the timer", which is a valid counterargument, or maybe "there's something about this game that you're not aware of that would indicate a splice".

He does stream runs live on twitch. While this particular run wasn't streamed, I don't see much reason for this run to be suspicious.

THIS IS NOT ABOUT THE RUNNER. THIS IS ABOUT THE SCREEN SETUP.

Even if the runner doesn't abuse the obvious potential for splicing, somebody else will, if this setup is allowed.

The way the video in question is displayed, the coin counter is covered up. This would be one of the discrepancies in a spliced run.

It leaves too much room for splicing, full stop.

Imagine malding over where someone puts there splits. There is no reason to suggest that this run is spliced. There are plenty of runs over many games where people put livesplit in the corner and it covers up a portion of the game and it's acceptable as long as it's not covering something that's essential to calling out fake runs. My question to you is how would he get away with splicing and how would having livesplit in the bottom left corner help him do that. The video you provided shows something being blocked that is essential to verifying runs and that's not the case here. You might be able to make a case about the items being blocked but even then that's so easy to fake in advance compared to celeste's berries that it doesn't make sense to make a big deal over it, especially when there is absolutely no evidence of cheating in any way and plenty of evidence that points towards legitimate play like good quality and a history of livestreaming attempts.

For someone who's only forum post in 3 years is this and has submitted absolutely no runs, much less runs of this, to say something like this like you know what you're talking about when you clearly don't and getting upset to the point where you feel the need to make this forum and get angry at anyone trying to respond to you and explain why you're wrong isn't doing anything to protect the integrity of the leaderboards but instead making you look extremely annoying and making people dislike you.

If you feel the need to call out a run and say it should be taken down you need more than "this game does this so we need to do the same" because that's now how that works, every game has their own standards and you have no right to tell the moderators what is and isn't acceptable proof with specifics like this.

Thank you for coming to my ted talk.

I dont think anyone here is accusing that run particularly of being spliced, and therefore comments on how trustworthy people are or how this run would not have been spliced are completely irrelevant.

Obviously this isnt really our argument seen as none of us here are mods, but i do think that if the mods thought there was a risk of splicing, or an important part of the screen that needed to be visible, they could put that in the rules to avoid future arguments like this?

I am not telling the mods what to do (this run must be fine because they accepted it), just making a suggestion that by setting a standard here for how much of the screen needs to be visible they can avoid more arguments like this.

Ok let me put this straight so we can close this forum. There is no evidence of splicing for this run, so bringing it up was not necessary. If there are cases like this in future runs, bring it up in DMs with the mods, NOT on a public forum. In the case of a real cheater, DMs are the fastest way to contact them. There are other ways in this game to track whether or not there was splicing. -Audio -Bowser Cycles -Cat Shards -Progress on some longer shines Coins could be easily manipulated, so using that as the only method of determining splices is not smart.