Without loads thing
6 years ago

I agree with Brimstone, there should be a without loads time, so it can be more fair for everyone, as opposed to only the people with the best computer being at the top. It would give everyone a chance at being the best without having to buy a super good computer. I also think it would be good in the other FNaF games such as 2,3,4,etc. Just my thoughts but you don't have to

Norway

Yeah, poor people exist :/ Someone should definitely develop a load remover.

North Rhine-Westphalia, Germany

Then what is the point of having a leaderboard? Everyone will just get the same time if we do this. So no!

Good point, fnaf 1 there isn't much that goes into it, however the people that get ahead would be frame perfect on the cd plus presses and those are the true deserving people. I was also thinking, I found this thing that can edit the game (glitch, whatever you want to call it) to pick which night you have access to now. With that glitch thing if you are fast enough you can actually save time over just waiting for the 6 am animation possibly, and that's where the skill could come from other than frame perfect cd pluses. You have decent reason to not do it for fnaf 1, but fnaf 2 however, there is actually a lot more that goes into the run since when you reset the game with F2 you don't lose the progress, shown in my run and that's where skill can come from, how fast you press cd plus combined with F2 and then how fast you can enter the next night. Not to mention for 100% mode there is a massive amount that goes into this other than just load times, and that's how fast you can go from mode to mode. Also there are even some potential luck factors in there, as sometimes your click on the right or left arrow just doesn't even go through, so that's where strategies can come in with how fast should you click, do you do risky strats or safe strats, and how fast you can click even. The faster you click those arrows, the more likely you are to lose a click, so it really does get hard. Those are just my thoughts for fnaf 1 and fnaf 2 about having load times or not, I don't mean to offend anyone if I am.

TLDR: Fnaf 1 the leaders would be the guys who are closest to frame perfect night skips, and in fnaf 2 the leaders are the people with the best night skips, game restarts, and fastest mode selection. TLDR 2: Fnaf 2 should have without load timers because a lot goes into the run

North Carolina, USA

[quote=SpiderSponge]Then what is the point of having a leaderboard? Everyone will just get the same time if we do this. So no![/quote]

So your argument is that competition should be people buying their way to the top of the leaderboard instead? Are you serious.

North Rhine-Westphalia, Germany

[quote=TheMaster]So your argument is that competition should be people buying their way to the top of the leaderboard instead? Are you serious.[/quote]

So you think everyone getting the same time is a better idea? Are you serious?

Edited by the author 6 years ago
Norway

Tbf, it would be a pain. You'd have to go through frame by frame just to see who is barely faster. In fnaf 1 you just hold the keys but let's say in fnaf 4 you actually need to press them when the night begins, so there's that.

United States

Guys! If loading times were cut off, that would make the runs the same! FnaF1-4 is pretty much the same thing on the same time already (but occasionally the time is luck in speedruns. It can take longer or shorter.) That's just going make the accomplishment of a world record easier! We should leave the rules how It is currently!

You guys I made a massive post explaining how every time would NOT be the same, it's about how fast you can press c,d and +. Runs would not be the same, the runs at the top would be the guys who are perfect in pressing c,d, +. That is for fnaf 1. Five Nights at Freddy's 2 is a much different story. In my run, there consists of so many different things that can be improved because there is so much that happens. It's not just c,d +, it's also how fast you click that, F2, Enter, and in the menu screen even! You can select in the menu screen even faster than I am right now. Not to mention Clickteam Fusion 2.5 Glitch (as SpiderSponge calls it, I don't know what to call it, I like that name) there is the difficulty of getting it, and there are a lot of strategies that can go into it, like can you actually get past the menu screen faster?

Paraná, Brazil

If people are equally as good, then they should have the exact same time (assuming no luck involved). Retiming runs to remove loads is a very simple task and makes the competition hardware independant. And also as Lul_ecks_dee pointed out, there are factors that would separate runs. Even if it's just a couple frames, it's a difference and that's what people are battling for. See games like Dragster and SMB1 as an example.

North Rhine-Westphalia, Germany

This will be discussed in the discord.

São Paulo, Brazil

Let's say I'm speedrunning a PC game; I have the best skills in the world. I play the game with TAS-like inputs (perfectly). But since my PC is crappy, the game's load time is about 20-30 seconds. That alone makes me 2nd place on the leaderboards, against a noob with a great PC. But had I used a load remover, I'd be first by a lot. See that, SpiderHako (AKA. Bendy & Undertale fanboy), Tylerland264? Now, for FNAF. The Any% category requires frame-perfect night skips, 100% (skips) requires that and great manoeuvring of the menus and great skill/luck to win 4/20. No Skips also requires great skill/luck to win. If we removed load times via an external timer, we WOULDN'T have the same times (I repeat CringyHako, WOULDN'T have the same times) because of the skill required for these categories. We wouldn't "all have the same time, so no". Everyone getting the same time is a bad idea, sure, but we're not. According to a Bendy/Undertale lover, adding a load remover would have the players having the exact same time (to the frame) because for some reason everyone has the same exact skill/luck as each other. According to a speedrunner who has seen (and dealt with) many disagreers (AKA. Me), adding a load remover would only make the game fairer for users with crappy computers. After all, games aren't dependant on who has the better computer, right?

North Rhine-Westphalia, Germany

Dude, are you here to insult me or trying to make a point!?

First of all, I have no connection with Undertale. Hell, I never even watched someone play it.

And second of all, why do you need to be an asshole to someone when they disagree with you? Who are you to act like you have the control here?

And also, this is already in the to do list. Now go fuck with someone else, your opinion doesn't matter here.

Edited by the author 5 years ago
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North Rhine-Westphalia, Germany

Yeah, we need to figure that out, too.

Colorado, USA

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