Whatever, I'm still blacklisting jaypin from any leaderboard I mod for regardless of any decision from other people or a 30 minute long video. Cheaters caught doping in the olympics get banned from participating in any competition for at least 1-2 years so I'm not inclined to start sympathizing with him until at least that much time has passed. The evidence was pretty clear in this case.
Couldn't agree more @dagronSR Until SRC gives him a proper 1+ year ban he's got a perma ban on any board I have any influence on. Ive already notified anyone I know personally that runs any boards to watch out.
I feel like you guys are really being ignorant to how a mod is supposed to work. Just because he cheated in one run years ago doesn't mean runs now will be cheated. Let's look at lekukie, a great runner that did cheat in I think it was mario kart ds and that was a serious ban, but the guy was able to run super mario bros and was proved to not cheat in smb. This is a way less serious offense that did result in a ban but now people are just banning the guy from their games because if an offense years ago. If the guy doesn't cheat in your game, the run should stand, it doesn't matter that he cheated years ago. Cheaters shouldn't be banned from your games unless you have proof he cheated again.
I 100% agree with Aslan, there have been way more serious cases of runners cheating, that only got temp bans/banned from a single game, and this incident also happened years ago. From all the games I mod, I've never had an experience like this with Jaypin, so I won't be banning him in any games I mod.
honestly the problem isnt that he is allowed back. its more that it was quite fast and that he still moderates games. you can allow former cheaters back into the community but you dont really want them to moderate boards.
I disagree with this, there's a difference between someone who cheats runs and someone who is incompetent to moderate boards. While Jaypin did cheat two runs and is most likely banned from these two game boards, it doesn't mean he shouldn't be a moderator on other boards. From my knowledge of him, there hasn't been a case where he consistently mistimes runs, does not follow submission rules when verifying runs on boards he moderates, does not flex rules around different individuals, etc. I don't think someone who cheats runs should be banned from moderating. I think people who break moderation rules should be banned from moderating, and there's plenty of incompetent mods on this site who should not have the ability to mod, while Jaypin isn't one of these people.
Nah I disagree 100%, if you cheat in speedrunning no matter how big or no matter how small the incident. It is disrespectful to all of us they actually speedrun the games legit. In my eyes, this is your final warning when you sign up to be a speedrunner. They know it’s not right to cheat in speedrunning and submit cheated runs on the leaderboard anyways, trying to get away with it. He will stay PERMANENTLY banned from any game I moderate. As I will not defend or stick up for cheaters in any way.
It’s really simple. Don’t cheat and this would have never happened.
Cheating is something I will never give second chances for. As speedrunners our integrity of legit boards of our hobby is one of the most important things. If you cheat you lose all your privileges.
I find this as a horrible mentality, that no one is redeemable and can't mature and become a legit speedrunner
Yeah he stole multiple runs and was really disingenuous about the submission dates in his vid. Kid's a weasel imo and should've stayed banned. Good old SRC setting top precedent with this unban.
Aslan, he hasn’t matured. If you watched the apology video, he lied multiple times during it. It was 4 runs he cheated in, not 2. Then he claims people are out to get him. He’s hiding his video under unlisted. If he was truly sorry about cheating he would make a public video. Actually the entire apology video is a joke of an apology tbh. Also he kept saying “6 years ago” nahhh. It was 2 years ago when he submitted them to speedrun.com
This dude had 6 years to delete his cheated runs. Or even better yet. He uploaded the cheated runs to speedrun.com in 2019. All he had to do is take them down at literally anytime. But he kept them up there until he got caught.
He has not matured at all.
I’m willing to give literally all people second and third and fourth chances when it comes to most things. Cheating is not one of them.
I just want to contribute and say that Ive talked to jaypin and I think that giving him a second chance is ok. 5 years is a long time, specially for something like speedrunning which you start to enjoy more with time and he now cares a lot about it, too much to cheat again. If people want to investigate more runs then they can go ahead and do it but I really doubt that jaypin will be willing to do it again after having waited for 4 moths and seeing what effect it has had on his image. Also, note that if he didnt delete his runs its probably bc he had forgotten about them since he had over a thousand.
Plagiarism is a serious enough offense to get someone immediately and permanently banned from many universities/colleges. Even if it doesn't get you banned, it leaves a very strong mark on your permanent record. These people are not treated like regular students again for a long time, because allowing cheating of any kind undermines everyone else's accomplishments.
Are speedrun leaderboards as prestigious as universities/colleges? No, not really. But leaderboard integrity is one of the pillars of the hobby, and this is an example of how seriously other walks of life treat plagiarism: the same as any other form of cheating. Cheaters should not be allowed on leaderboards, and Jaypin will not be allowed on any leaderboards I moderate. Especially not if he's going to be manipulative in his apology.
Maybe we can reassess a couple YEARS from now. But May -> August is not enough time for someone to make meaningful change in their life.
stllr, Idk if you have realised that it was 5 years ago. It hasnt been in this last 4 months but instead in the last 5 years that he has decided to change and thats why even after he was banned and people looked at his runs they couldnt find more cheated runs. Where was everyone here 5 years ago? I doubt that anyone here has stayed the same for the last 5 years. Jaypin has changed in the last years just like everyone else