Portal 2 Container ride skip survey
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7 years ago
New Jersey, USA

Please don't put words in my mouth... I'm trying to make suggestions because I know you guys want to put these late-start runs on the leaderboard and, well, we have to choose something. I'm not saying we've all agreed to what I suggested, I was being serious when I asked if it sounds good or if it sounds stupid. But we can't make a compromise if you're going to attack me and quote me on things I've never said. Please, give me real feedback and we can come up with something.

The poll we made didn't address anything about the leaderboard, just whether or not people supported doing these kind of runs. 63% in favor of these runs and 36% feel they don't belong. I suggested 3B because it is a compromise which overall favors the 63% desire to have these runs on the leaderboard, however takes into consideration the concerns of the 36% by separating them from full game runs. I don't think option 2A makes sense because that would entirely favor the "Yes" group without any regard to the "No"s. And obviously option 1 is no good because it completely favors the opposite. Between 2B, 3A, and 3B, I thought 3B was the best option because it has the added benefit of eliminating timing quirks like needing to determine the exact length of the intro, adding a penalty, and displaying a time longer than the actual length of the run. But again, this is NOT a command, it's a suggestion and we can't make progress unless I get some open feedback instead of angry responses which provide no solution.

By the way... I didn't mean for "late-start" to sound derogatory... it's just the best way I could think of to distinguish from starting at the beginning that wasn't overly complicated like "start-at-end-of-container-ride". Sorry if you felt like I was making it sound fake/meaningless

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England

I still think that it should be allowed to be skipped, especially with time penalty that people (portal_rex to name one.) were giving it. I don't see why we wouldn't.

New Jersey, USA

we wouldn't because more than a third of runners don't think it should count as run of the category. This is why I think a new category designed for runs that skip the intro should be made

New Jersey, USA

How is me suggesting something and asking you guys anything other than asking the ones who voted yes? Again - I want suggestions, I want feedback, me making a suggestion first does not equal me telling you what we HAVE to do.

Please, give me a better compromise if you have one. I tried to come up with a compromise that reflected the overall poll survey, not just what I want. If it were my choice alone there would be no incomplete runs allowed at all, but I'm not asking for that.

United States

Tfw the container ride save's purpose is to make running this game more enjoyable, and now it's just ruining the speedrun due to the stress :/

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New Jersey, USA

Alright, so since we're having a really hard time with this, I'm making the following observation:

-There are people who want to have runs that skip the container ride.

-There are people who value full-game and don't want invalid runs included on that board.

-Nobody on either side will see it the other side's way

So, seeing as we have split opinion, let's split categories. It will at least stop us from fighting or trying to impose our way of thinking on runners who don't feel the same way. Tanger says I should just stop waiting for feedback and make it anyway. So at least I know I have his support.

I'm creating the new category now. If I get extreme backlash for this we can always take it down later but let's see how it goes. Also - I am not going to argue about how to formulate the rules for this new category, since I prefer full-game anyway. You guys can time it however you want, penalty or no penatly, intro length added or no intro length added, community save or no community save. Maybe Meowmix will convince everyone to use host-timescale mid run, who knows. But at least we won't be fighting over a single category where we'll never agree.

Liberia

No point. I already created a new category. With blackjack. And hookers.

New Jersey, USA

you can rename it to "Single Player with Blackjack and Hookers" if you want to.

Actually, I had no great ideas for a name, so you might want to think about what sounds better than "Single Player without container ride"

United States

I feel like you should make the container ride save a variable in the original SS category, not a whole category in it's own. I feel like one difference shouldn't make it a 100% different categiory, but an alternative to the old one. That way you can still have preference to which type is wr and the people who want won't feel like they don't belong with the norm

England

Can we make a super fast no cutscene run where we play with a super high tick rate and with a save at the vault in container ride

England

Meowmix I thought the exact same. Have been looking for a save, but you make it sound like there isn't one that I can just download?

New Jersey, USA

Good News! I was informed that the subcategory feature exists and seems like a much better way of doing this compared to making it a completely separate category.

I encourage all runners who want to skip the intro to submit to the Single Segment category using the subcategory variable to indicate Container Ride Save being used

I'm sorry I didn't suggest this as a compromise option earlier, I was not aware of the feature! I am very happy to have been told about it and it is certainly a better solution than before.

United States

Thanks for making it slightly less shunning. As soon as I understand how the hell this works I'll likely be running it

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