Portal 2 Container ride skip survey
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7 years ago
England

You need to set it so that other people can view, atm only you can I think.

New Jersey, USA

yea the link is not working for me either

United States
SovietPropaganda
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7 years ago

Also, I went through all 87 responses, here are the results out of the runners of the game:

Yes 24 No 14 Yes 63.1% No 36.8%

Some people said that they speedrun the game, but didn't put a username. This is with those counted:

Yes 26 No 15 Yes 63.4% No 36.5%

Basically the same thing as all of the people.

England

So what's happening? I guess this isn't an outright majority so it's just staying the same?

New Jersey, USA

So, it's clear to me that many runners (although not a supermajority) would like to play the game without playing through the intro. KEEP IN MIND: you may play the game like this as much as you want, the decision at this point is about what to allow on our leaderboard.

Options at this point:

  1. No change, any submitted runs must be full-game
  2. New variable to allow both full-game and late-start runs on the same single player category a) with all kinds of runs shown by default b) with only full-game runs shown by default
  3. New category for late-start runs a) as a miscellaneous category b) as a "regular" category

Other question: if a new variable/category is created, should it be applied to all variations of Single Player? (third person, LSD, etc.)

Also if I forgot about other reasonable options, please suggest them.

Note on timing late-start runs: The majority who commented on this seemed to agree we should add the base length of the intro + small penalty to account for time normally lost in the intro. As work on a modified version of P2LT progresses I will happily work with Alpha or whoever is going to be coding it. There should also be a way to calculate the time manually but I haven't worked out the exact offset yet (and I mean exact to the tick - if you are going to approximate, round up to the nearest second).

New Jersey, USA

Coop timing already starts after the cutscene anyway, obviously doesn't need any change. I'm ok with pretty much any option except 2A... there are enough people who don't think these runs should count at all so I think we need some compromise which keeps track of the times without placing them in direct comparison with full game runs.

New Jersey, USA

however... as it applies to single player misc categories, I think 2A or 2B are the only reasonable choices. We wouldn't want to double the amount of single player categories for misc which are not ran as seriously to begin with. Options 3A/B only make sense for the main single player runs to me

United States
SovietPropaganda
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7 years ago

There needs to be a new poll for the options to list this Kappa

New Jersey, USA

I don't like the idea of allowing/disallowing based on the runner's time. Either you run the full game and get to compete with those of us who have been doing that since speedrunning started, or you do your other runs and get to put your time somewhere else. It shouldn't matter what level of play you are at.

Also... timescale and cheats are very important to never allow in speedruns. Your time should be a reflection of how long the run actually takes (minus loading screens). The idea that the game engine could play at any speed as long as the ticks are comparable is entirely backwards... the ticks are used BECAUSE they let us accurately count how much actual time is passing.

Liberia

Don't worry my vote doesn't count, I'm done running single segment. Any fun it used to be got wiped out by all of this, gl keeping the wr in the future Znern, I'll still be on challenge mode for what it's worth til some advances in timing rta happen.

England

Pero you serious?? No no no!

Liberia

Yea hold me to it, just link this thread and znern's "if you don't like people's consensus then change the discussion" mentality in my chat if I ever forget how poor of a decision it is to play this category.

England

And you're not playing RTA because fatalis won't/can't create a timer that counts the menus

New Jersey, USA

I'm not sure what is meant by this: "if you don't like people's consensus then change the discussion"

I have not been trying to change the discussion, I am honestly trying to be diplomatic with people who see things differently. I know I have a bias but I want to make a compromise... and I have not been avoiding discussion at all. I gave suggestions to Meowmix for a poll that would gauge community views, I was around for several streams where we could discuss the issue, and I've tried spread the word via twitter and streaming myself.

Also Pero, I'd be happy to see you running the game no matter whether you do the intro or not. I'm just interested in keeping the leaderboards fair and something that makes sense within the speedrun community at large.

I'd like to implement 3B... however I've recently been thinking that maybe the idea of adding the time of the container ride is a bit silly, since a late-start run is not actually taking that long. For example my PB would be considered a 59:10 (or something around there) on the late-start category. This way the distinction is clear and the time shown is not fabricated, while still giving runners the ability to upload these late-start runs to our Speedrun.com site. Does this sound like a good compromise? Or does it sound stupid?

Liberia

"Looks like we've all agreed on it being a different category rather than being handled the same way vault save was. Alright time to come up with a name... how about 'cheating lazy segment' because surely 'any%' is too lenient, we need some sting in the game.

Alright, looks like we've settled on 'segmented sp_a1_intro1', but what are the rules going to say? Surely we can't copy and paste the single segment rules verbatim, that would give too much merit to a fake category. We can try '1- Don't publicize your runs, 2- claiming that a run is world record must contain the disclaimer of the segmented category, 3- fatal allergies and darkest fears must be posted in the description of your video'

Looks like we've settled on '1- must be verified by a mod (PerOculos and only him because seriously what other mod really gives a fuck) before it can be posted, 2- route credit to tanger 3- CTRL+V' now can we PLEASE talk about the design of the new timer? At the very least, we must debate the implications of stream titles saying 'speedrun' because we all know it technically isn't, and the game you can label your stream as playing, because it CERTAINLY isn't Portal 2."

-Znernicus

Let's agree to disagree, I'm done with YOUR category.

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